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Flight 93

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MaGZ said:
Ed Felt said there was an explosion on the plane and he saw smoke.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/specialreports/oneyearlater/s_90872.html

Do I have to explane to others here what this means?
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No he certainly did not. A transcript of the actual conversation can be found here.

http://www.911myths.com/images/e/e8/Team7_Box12_93Calls_EdFelt.pdf

The only person who attributes smoke and explosions in the call was the recollection of the call center supervisor Glenn Cramer who was listening in on a "spy phone" and was not actually conversing with Ed Felt.
 
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MaGZ said:
From the AP article Sept. 12, 2001:

The man (Ed Felt) told dispatchers the plane ''was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, and we lost contact with him,'' Cramer said.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/ap_bathroom_call.htm
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At 500-600MPH the plane is going faster than it was designed for. Mechanical noises and brake-up are not unreasonable. Others here can address this much better than I can.

In any case the flight data recorder and voice recorder identify the source of explosion-like noises in the airframe. There was no record if missile impact.
 
MaGZ said:
It is my understanding Ed Felt was in the restroom of the plane and was on the phone when he said he just saw a "white flash", which would indicate the plane was hit by an air to air missile.
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Your delusion is refuted by the CVR. Hard evidence beats your moronic opinion based on nothing but your failure to research.

Unlike jammonius you are on topic.



MaGZ said:
From the AP article Sept. 12, 2001:

The man (Ed Felt) told dispatchers the plane ''was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, and we lost contact with him,'' Cramer said.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/ap_bathroom_call.htm
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The man told dispatchers the plane ''was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, and we lost contact with him,'' Cramer said.
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Could he be talking a compressor stalls as the plane was going 600 mph, with white smoke pouring from an engine. Smoke coming from the plane? From the plane inside, or outside? Anyone on the ground see smoke, white smoke?

On topic but an article a day after 911 about an explosion, but the guy is still talking, it was not a missile hit. Do you understand why?
Can you get jammonius on topic? Your repeat of your failure is cool, will you be spewing these lies in 10 years?

Does bold type mean your statement is a bigger lie?
MaGZ said:
Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93
We all know the inspiring story of Flight 93, of the heroic passengers who forced the hijacked plane to the ground, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of others. The only trouble is: it may simply not be true.
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You, MaGZ (Missiles at Ground Zero), think 93 was shot down. agreeing there were terrorists and Passengers on flight 93 which crashed in PA on 911.

You deny the passengers attacked the terrorists, but heard the attack on the CVR (COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER). Your opinion that what we heard on the CVR is not true is backed with no evidence, just talk and delusions.
 
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MaGZ said:
Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93

We all know the inspiring story of Flight 93, of the heroic passengers who forced the hijacked plane to the ground, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of others. The only trouble is: it may simply not be true.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/independent_f93.html
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Until you have evidence, what you say is banta poo doo!

Also let me remind you, since Flight 93 dug itself 30 feet into hard soil, a missile would have blown up the plane in mid-air, thus spreading the debris all over the place. However, physical evidence does support that it went into that 30 foot deep hole that it made.

Your missile theories are nothing more than movie propaganda.
 
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MaGZ said:
Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3039291184775568866#
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Why should I waste 9 minutes watching that video. What's your point?

That video appears to be 5+ years old. If it was a smoking gun, I'm sure I would have heard of Gibney by now.

There is absolutely no physical evidence that "shootdown" would by it's very nature produce. Flight 93 hit the grunds because the pilot flew it into the ground.
 
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He said he was down not that he crashed.

Timeline for United Airlines Flight

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1962910
10:15 NEADS called Washington Center to report:
NEADS: I also want to give you a heads-up, Washington.
FAA (DC): Go ahead.
NEADS: United nine three, have you got information on that yet?
FAA: Yeah, he's down.
NEADS: He's down?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: When did he land? Cause we have got confirmation...
FAA: He did not land.
NEADS: Oh, he's down? Down?
FAA: Yes. Somewhere up northeast of Camp David.
NEADS: Northeast of Camp David.
FAA: That's the last report. They don't know exactly where.
 
MaGZ said:
He said he was down not that he crashed.

Timeline for United Airlines Flight

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1962910
10:15 NEADS called Washington Center to report:
NEADS: I also want to give you a heads-up, Washington.
FAA (DC): Go ahead.
NEADS: United nine three, have you got information on that yet?
FAA: Yeah, he's down.
NEADS: He's down?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: When did he land? Cause we have got confirmation...
FAA: He did not land.
NEADS: Oh, he's down? Down?
FAA: Yes. Somewhere up northeast of Camp David.
NEADS: Northeast of Camp David.
FAA: That's the last report. They don't know exactly where.
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FAA: He did not land.

 
MaGZ said:
Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93

We all know the inspiring story of Flight 93, of the heroic passengers who forced the hijacked plane to the ground, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of others. The only trouble is: it may simply not be true.
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I think if these passengers had survived, they would be the first to say that they didn't think of themselves as heroes. Their primary motivation was self-preservation, not patriotism. Nevertheless, they demonstrated that an act of terrorism using this strategy would never be successful again.
 
jammonius said:
The whole point of the matter is that governmental authorities, having both the resources and the obligation to do so, DID NOT ever properly investigate or explain 9/11.

namely, that 9/11 hasn't been explained by the properly invested authorities.
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Since many authorities (the FBI, NIST, etc) have thoroughly investigated various aspects of 9/11, which authorities, exactly, would you have do what now?

I have asked the question of truthers many times: How can the government independently investigate itself? This is a contradiction in terms, and no government led or sanctioned investigation would ever satisfy the truthers' definition of "independent". Nor would such an investigation ever find no planes, northside flyover, shootdown in Shanksville, thermite demolitions, or any other truther crap.

No OTHER entity besides the government could have the authority to compel testimony, grant subpeona powers, or authorize release of information to investigators, so you are left with an impossible situation. Which suits truthers just fine, since they are then free to believe whatever carp they make up, knowing no one can ever disprove it to their satisfaction. It's like a religion, really.

What you REALLY want is for the story to be changed to YOUR story (contradictions and all) based on the pseudo-investigations of people like Gage and Griffen. Nothing else would ever satisfy you, and it's never going to happen.
 
MaGZ said:
Flight 93 Shot Down by Lt Col Rick Gibney
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3039291184775568866#
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Flight 93 Shootdown Pilot Identified
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/93_shootdown.htm
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He said he was down not that he crashed.

Timeline for United Airlines Flight

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=1962910
10:15 NEADS called Washington Center to report:
NEADS: I also want to give you a heads-up, Washington.
FAA (DC): Go ahead.
NEADS: United nine three, have you got information on that yet?
FAA: Yeah, he's down.
NEADS: He's down?
FAA: Yes.
NEADS: When did he land? Cause we have got confirmation...
FAA: He did not land.
NEADS: Oh, he's down? Down?
FAA: Yes. Somewhere up northeast of Camp David.
NEADS: Northeast of Camp David.
FAA: That's the last report. They don't know exactly where.
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None of those have any physical evidence of Flight 93 being "shot down". Keep on spewing that non-sense Magz, the more you say stuff about missiles people will realize that you are indeed crazy!
 
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sylvan8798 said:
Which suits truthers just fine, since they are then free to believe whatever carp they make up, knowing no one can ever disprove it to their satisfaction.
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Myself, I tend to only believe mackerel; carp are shifty and not to be trusted. ;)
 
I'm waiting for this particular line of kook claim to explain how such a shootdown didn't register on the 'Black Box'.
After all even the voice recorder in the cockpit had no evidence of the sound that such an event would generate..
 
Oh J.R, "Bob" Dobbs on a popsicle stick- that "Gibney shot down flight 93" claim is so old that it's even covered in the Popular Mechanics article:

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes — it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there."
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For Pete's sake, MaGZ, haven't you got any claims that are at least a wee bit fresher than the corpse of Tutankhamun?
 
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