Flight 93

[tfk]

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I know there are other ways of identifying jetliners that have crashed, but the surest and most trustworthy way is that of serial number identification. I have established that no such identification of Flight 93 was done.

You have?

Please show me where you have done this.

How much of the FBI's Penttbom report have you examined?

I'm not dodging anything here. I am open to proof that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville on 9/11 if you have any.

The serial numbers of 47 pieces of equipment that are hard & fast proven to have been on board that specific airplane: the DNA of the passengers.

The photographs are not proof because they are inconclusive.

And now, you start to demonstrate exactly how "open to proof" you really are.

The photos are inconclusive TO YOU. Who cares. You are an amateur.
The DNA evidence is inconclusive TO YOU, because you don't trust the gubbamint.

And if/when the FBI brings their serial number evidence to a trial, you'll dismiss that as well.

Your claim to being "open to proof" is a sham.

 

[twinstead]

Yea. Staying "open to proof" while cleverly keeping the goalposts juuuuuust out of reach at all times. jammonius you're a walking, talking debate tactician, not a "seeker of truth".

 

[TJM]

Yea. Staying "open to proof" while cleverly keeping the goalposts juuuuuust out of reach at all times. jammonius you're a walking, talking debate tactician, not a "seeker of truth".

And not a very effective one either. His favorite tactic, sticking his fingers in his ears while shouting "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU", is wearing thin.

 

[beachnut]

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2--A photo of a hydraulic excavator and an indecipherable piece of junk as proof of a jet crash; and

3--DNA evidence

Junk you identified as a wheel cover. jammonius investigations says wheel-cover, and is wrong. You are the only person in the world who can't figure out it is a jet engine after given expert help from aircraft accident investigator; you failed after being taught, told and helped.

911 truth failed, and you repeat their lies and can't identify a jet engine.

DNA evidence - you failed to present evidence to refute the DNA, we have first hand DNA evidence from Wally Miller, and you can't refute it. The coroner goes on record with DNA.

To have your delusions on Flight 93, you have to refute the following.
RADAR
DNA
Aircraft parts from 93
FDR
CVR
FAA tapes


The CVR has a crew member begging for their life and now you make up lies and spew delusions saying the fuselage is a horse-trailer. A crew member and a terrorists are talking, as the terrorists kill her. Go ahead lie about the murders on 911, you are so nice to make up lies and delusions on the Internet where we don't know you, and you can hide your disrespect from your parents and friends.

The jet engine you say is a wheel-cover has titanium blades that were liberated at impact as the engine self destructed, it was turning at thousand of RPM. The large fan section was destroyed on impact.

 

[A W Smith]

I also cite "Wally" Miller as a source and have done so in this thread. I may have been the first to mention his name in this thread and to quote him. I think his statements are contradictory, ambiguous at best. I do not think he is your go to person for DNA proof.

You produced a simile. Not a contradiction. This has been brought to your attention repeatedly. You are regressing. Are you drilling holes in your head with a power drill to release the demons? or is your grey matter pruning itself?

 

[tfk]

I also cite "Wally" Miller as a source and have done so in this thread. I may have been the first to mention his name in this thread and to quote him.

The fact that you mentioned his name first in this thread is trumped by the fact that Mr. Miller has explicitly said that he thinks that you guys are a bunch of "fringe" lunatics who twist his words & meaning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIGDaBwf0Ko&feature=related

I think his statements are contradictory, ambiguous at best. I do not think he is your go to person for DNA proof.

His statements are consistent & clear. Watch them again.

BTW, Mr. Miller's report IS the go-to source of info on the DNA. Even though Mr. Miller did NOT do the DNA analysis himself.

Your version the way stuff is done in Twoofer-ville. That's not how it happens in the real world.

Mr. Miller performed the job that he is trained and competent to do: collect tissue sample, prep them, label them, and then send them off to a qualified DNA lab.

Then the professional, qualified DNA lab performed the job that they are trained & competent to do: the DNA analysis.

They did the analysis by comparing the collected samples to tissue, hair, etc samples provided by relatives of the victims. And when they were done, the samples all matched up.

You may begin your spurious, juvenile rant about "corrupt DNA labs" any time, of course...

Tom

 

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[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Resurrecting this thread

I've resurrected this thread because it seems that our good friend Jammonius is still believing that there were "no-planes" on 9/11.

I would like to challenge Jam to bring evidence to counter my statement in the first post.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

The people who boarded the plane have not been seen since 9/11, and their remains were found at the crash site- that seems a no brainer that the plane went down- plus other planes in the area had the flight within visual range until it went down. There were calls from the plane and eye witnesses to the crash on the ground. No-planer nutcases just choose to ignore the facts.

 

[Bell]

The alleged people who allegedly boarded the alleged plane have allegedly not been seen since 9/11, and their alleged remains were allegedly found at the alleged crash site- that allegedly seems a no brainer that the alleged plane allegedly went down- plus allegedly other planes in the alleged area had the alleged flight allegedly within visual range until it allegedly went down. There were alleged calls from the alleged plane and alleged eye witnesses to the alleged crash on the ground. No-planer nutcases just choose to ignore the facts. Allegedly.

Truthified it for you.

 

[jammonius]

There exists uncertainty concerning the issue of whether or not the families of any of the persons said to have been passengers aboard alleged Flight 93 filed claims with the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund.

The following claim has been found in some 'truther' websites that, to me, are about as reliable or unreliable, as it were, as debunker websites are. Neither is considered a good source of admissible evidence. For what it may be worth, however, the following claim has been made:

"Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
No one "

Source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+fund+list+flight+93&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

However, that claim is contradicted by the Special Masters report on 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund, where it is claimed:

Flight No. UA 93 25 (where "25" means the number of claims).

See pg. 29/120

Source: http://www.justice.gov/final_report.pdf

The claim that no Flight 93 victims claims had been made may simply be a matter of timing. The assertions made by those I have designated as 'truthers' may simply have been made too soon. The date of the following list is April 2002, however it appears to have been updated as late as 2007, according to "wayback":

http://web.archive.org/web/20070713024152/http://911digitalarchive.org/objects/3.pdf

See also: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/911digitalarchive.org/objects/3.pdf

However, the date of the Special Master Final Report is September 30, 2004 per the note made at pg. 120/120 concerning the date of the report.

For those who have been deeply concerned about Ed Felt, it is to be noted that his name does not appear on the above list, by the way.

 

[BigAl]

There exists uncertainty concerning the issue of whether or not the families of any of the persons said to have been passengers aboard alleged Flight 93 filed claims with the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund.
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Which even to the degree it is true, does nothing to make the fact that my work-mate. Ed Felt was last seen alive boarding Flight 93 and his DNA was recovered from the Flight 93 crash site in Shanksville.

Jam; How did Ed's remains wind up in Shanksville?

 

[bill smith]

Which even to the degree it is true, does nothing to make the fact that my work-mate. Ed Fejt was last seen alive boarding Flight 93 and his DNA was recovered from the Flight 93 crash site in Shanksville.

Jam; How did Ed's remains wind up in Shanksville?

Al is this Ed the same guy you told me was on the Pentagon plane ? You said he was a friend of yours.

 

[BigAl]

Al is this Ed the same guy you told me was on the Pentagon plane ? You said he was a friend of yours.

If I ever said 77 it was a typo on my part. I've switched 77 and 93 a couple times.

 

[bill smith]

If I ever said 77 it was a typo on my part. I've switched 77 and 93 a couple times.

I seem to remember that we were talking about the phone call you said he made to his wife. I found that strange because the call was not mentioned in the CIA breakdown of calls made from the plane- remember ? I was suggesting that you should contact the FBI right away with the new information.

I doubt that there could have been a mistake with the plane designation.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

The following claim has been found in some 'truther' websites that, to me, are unreliable, as it were. Neither is considered a good source of admissible evidence. For what it may be worth, however, the following claim has been made.

And your pathetic claim that there were "no-planes", when there was, puts a hole in your theory, doesn't it boyo?

 

[twinstead]

Yea, you'd think that the fact there were planes would create an unsurmountable obstacle to a belief that there were no planes, but some people can power through that.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Flight 93's FDR:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf

No Truther can't deny that Flt. 93 wasn't "shot down". All they have to do is look at the FDR's graphs & it indicates no impact prior to the plane hitting the ground.

Of course, Truthers are retarded, they can't read the graphs right. So they'll say that it's "made up" & a "lie". I'd like to know if they have any evidence to prove the FDR & my statement, wrong. Of course, they have no evidence so I'll settle for: "That they're a bunch of lying dirtbags!"