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Flight 93

My last flight was in 1991, from DC to LAX.
While waiting at the terminal in DC, a guy got on the plane yakking on his remote phone. (Monster things, back then.)
Got laughed at by many of the passengers.
During the flight, I used the provided phone to call my g.f. who was in Las Vegas.
 
Well, now I'm getting concerned. Jammonius' hand waving at first was a nice cool breeze in my stuffy house. Now the boy is starting to take some of the wall paper off and just knocked my precious little Chiwiener puppy into the kitchen counter.

Bad boy, Jammonius. Bad.
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What's the forum equivalent of the rolled up newspaper to the nose?
 
beachnut,

What kind of planes are you licensed to fly? Are you a commercial pilot? If so, are you as nonplussed as Capt. Sullenberger is about what is happening to pilots' pay?

I understand most experienced 767 pilots who have commented on the skill level they saw on teevee, assuming what they saw was real, have indicated they could not do that; let alone do the manuver that the Pentagon pilot is said to have pulled off. Any comment beachnut?

Earth to beachnut: How in the heck did "(t)he exercise on 911 help...the military response" pray tell?:boggled:
I learned to fly in a C-150 first, took my friends and family flying, then I learned how to fly a sub sonic jet... putting on seatbelt and shoulder straps in my first ejection seat trainer, the T-37.
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Next a supersonic jet, The plane is the one I am standing next to in avatar; a photo clue, it is not a horse trailer where you get your BS from...
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Flew the t-38 seen in formation here; Am I a pilot, what kind of jets can I fly!? All of them.
The FAA type rated me for B707/720. The 757/767 are easy to fly. A kid off the street with no training can do the flying the terrorists did. I took kids, teens into heavy jet simulator, and the kids without flight training hit targets as big/small as the Pentagon, and WTC towers. There goes your, "can't do the flying stuff" out the window.

There are a few dirt dumb pilots who say the terrorists can' fly the jets on 911; who are they? Source and name them! Expose their stupidity.
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These are F-4s, I am flying a heavy and jet and taking a photo of the F-4s. I am the commander of the jet crew, the aircraft has four engines, it can carry 33,000 gallons of jet fuel. Can you connect the dots? We refueled these F-4 from Okinawa.

I have an ATP, it is the same ticket Sully has to fly jets. Even the leader of the pilots for truth failed to earn an ATP, but Balsamo can't do math and you have to do math to earn an ATP; you would have problems, you have to be able to figure out things. You can't figure out 911 and it is simple.

Earth to beachnut: How in the heck did "(t)he exercise on 911 help...the military response" pray tell?:boggled:
Wow, this is a good question if you are clueless.

When we exercise in the military there are extra experienced staff to oversee and evaluate. They are all over the place for the exercise; EXTRA PEOPLE, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE.

Can you figure it out, or is this as hard as the fuselage section you say is a horse trailer. Can you connect the dots? Do you lack skills in logical thinking


Flying the 757/767 into buildings is what a grade school student with no flight training could do. If you find a pilot who says the flying on 911 is too hard for terrorists trained to fly planes and with FAA tickets, you have found an idiot; proved wrong 3 times with glaring examples even you fail to comprehend due to some learning deficiency.

The leader of pilots for truth, Balsamo, can't hit a building in the safety of a simulator and his fellow failed pilots in his paranoid cult claim they can't do it. So we have bad pilots, the terrorists on 911, and we have worse pilots, pilots for truth lead by Balsamo the 2,223 g math idiot.

You choose to repeat what failed pilots say, and after 8 years fail to understand the events of 911.

Care to comment on the OP, opening post, any time soon?

beachnut,

What kind of planes are you licensed to fly?
All of them!
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Why do you lack evidence? My grand kid said the fuselage I showed you was an aircraft part, and you said it was a horse trailer. You know the jet fuel I used in those planes above, I started it all with a spark. Have you got anything about 911 right? no
 
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poisoning the well logical fallacy noted. Does not matter that Mark Roberts is a "volunteer",...

I disagree with your claim about Mark Roberts; here's why: The whole point of the matter is that governmental authorities, having both the resources and the obligation to do so, DID NOT ever properly investigate or explain 9/11. One of the things that both distinguishes 9/11 "research" and that puts all of us in more or less the same boat is that many, if not most, of our source materials for whatever side of the argument we might be on are indirect, easily characterized as hearsay, and more often than not, are based on newspaper accounts as the primary source. Some of the photographs, when properly analyzed by someone with expertise are, perhaps, the strongest exception and are a true source of evidence, all as was recently said by the curator of the 9/11 museum on the occassion of the release of that stash of 3000 photos that were said to be new but which could mostly be found on Dr. Judy Wood's website, all along.

Some people here ask me to explain what happened on 9/11 or to offer up my theory. Why? The point is no proper, verified explanation has ever been offered. The common myth is about as classic a psyop as you could possibly ask for. Its principal strength is its ridiculousness. The 9/11 common version of events is so far fetched as to be unbelievable and that is why it is believed. That and the power of suggestion, of repetition and of identifying with that which is characterized as the norm, are the strenghs of the common myth.

If I had a $10 bill, the equivalent of a 1922 penny, for every time someone on this forum called me crazy or nuts for taking a 9/11 position contrary to the common myth, I'd be affluent. People here feel compelled to call me names precisely because I am going against the accepted norm. That norm carries both weight and a degree of necessity. It is necessary to believe in the common myth otherwise our entire society has been played for a fool; and, we are a monstrous society to boot, completely redefining what "rogue state" means. It is close on to impossible to come to grips with that reality, absent a catharctic experience, I think. The mechanism of denial will almost certainly preclude that from happening, unless and until some piece of evidence gets revealed that people simply cannot tune out.

Technically, this should have already happened long ago. There is more than enough evidence to topple the 9/11 myth, starting with how ridiculous the story is, then continuing with the fact it has never been explained and no one held accountable for its apparent "success" not to mention all of the evidence that has been tossed at the falsity of the common myth.

You know what, I'll get personal here; not personal in the way beachnut did, in posting up photos of his military career and of his grandchild, but personal in the sense of letting you know I went to see the new movie "Shudder Island." As 'scary' movies go, that one was one of the scariest I've ever seen. It makes you confront the difference between reality and illusion and it illustrates the power of the mechanism of denial. And, it may, indeed, put the viewer on both sides of that equation, making you confront the question of whether you and all of us as individuals can distinguish between the real and the unreal.

Unfortunately, 9/11 has driven America crazy and we are deep in denial because what was done both to us and also then in our name is too hideously awful to admit, just like in Shudder Island, posters.

Look, AW, all else is just banter involving, for the most part, putting up or relying on one series or set of newspaper articles and indirect evidence sources, including photos that no one wants to look at for what they truly reveal, versus another.

You say I am in denial; I say you are in denial. Isn''t that a fine kettle of fish that cannot ever be resolved?

There's no need to address the remainder of your post. The evidence in support of your claims in support of 9/11, starting with it being based on something an individual volunteer assembled and posted on the internet should tell you and the rest of us all we need to know; namely, that 9/11 hasn't been explained by the properly invested authorities.

Instead, a predictable contest between citizen activists, on all sides of the propostion, like you, me, beachnut and Big Al, to name some and no offense to those I haven't named, has developed to keep all of us preoccupied and distracted.

Do what you have to do, AW, to fine tune your sense of reality and I will do the same.

bye for now
 
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I disagree with your claim about Mark Roberts; here's why: The whole point of the matter is that governmental authorities, having both the resources and the obligation to do so, DID NOT ever properly investigate or explain 9/11.

Damn, for someone that is so ignorant of the mountain of evidence we know about the eyewitnesses, physical evidence and forensics for the 4 planes and 19 hijackers, you sure type a lot.
 
Damn, for someone that is so ignorant of the mountain of evidence we know about the eyewitnesses, physical evidence and forensics for the 4 planes and 19 hijackers, you sure type a lot.
Sure types a lot of nonsense. He must think it is evidence. School taught him a skill. With typing he can get a great job in data entry and entering data into medical systems; good money.

Like 911 truth, his knowledge on 911, {∅}.

He has failed to read the opening post and comment on the delusional shoot down claims, or other points.


namely, that 9/11 hasn't been explained by the properly invested authorities.
A 911 truth lie picked up by those who lack knowledge. Willful ignorance.
 
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Some people here ask me to explain what happened on 9/11 or to offer up my theory. Why?
So we can evaluate your hypothesis vs. the current story / common narrative / "official" story / "common myth." Why else?

jammonius said:
If I had a $10 bill, the equivalent of a 1922 penny, for every time someone on this forum called me crazy or nuts for taking a 9/11 position contrary to the common myth, I'd be affluent.
See what you did there? You said that you "took a position." There is no evidence for that.

jammonius said:
bye for now
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You seem to have the same delusions of grandeur / martyr complex that is common among truthers. You might try speaking to a behavioral health professional who could better explain what drives these feelings of yours (that there is a grand conspiracy, that you know the special "truth" that no one else does, etc.) Then again, perhaps they are in on it...
 
This is what Jammonius is actually saying:

Some of the photographs, when properly analyzed by "Dr. Judy Wood", perhaps, the strongest exception and are a true source of evidence, all as was recently said by the curator of the 9/11 museum on the occassion of the release of that stash of 3000 photos that were said to be new but which could mostly be found on Dr. Judy Wood's website, all along.

Some people here ask me to explain what happened on 9/11 or to offer up my delusions.

I would pay $10 bill for every time someone on this forum called me crazy or nuts for taking a 9/11 position contrary to my rediculas theories, I'd be affluent.

I am in denial. Isn''t that a fine kettle of fish that cannot ever be resolved?

bye for now
 
The ugly part of jammonius's crap claims and frivolous demands, at least for me is that I had a work mate die on Flight 93. He made one of the phone calls. The wife and kids haven't heard from him since 9/11.

His name was Ed Felt. R.I.P.

I wonder where jammonius thinks he went to. To the extent that the wife knows about the "Truth Movement" claims about planes, it makes her sick.

jammonius, care to respond?

It is my understanding Ed Felt was in the restroom of the plane and was on the phone when he said he just saw a "white flash", which would indicate the plane was hit by an air to air missile.
 
Damn, for someone that is so ignorant of the mountain of evidence we know about the eyewitnesses, physical evidence and forensics for the 4 planes and 19 hijackers, you sure type a lot.
Your talking about a person that claims that GZ was flat because all the steel was "dustified". S/he refuses to talk to any of the thousands of people that could steer her/him straight.

You don't actually see her/his performance in this thread odd do you?
 
It is my understanding Ed Felt was in the restroom of the plane and was on the phone when he said he just saw a "white flash", which would indicate the plane was hit by an air to air missile.

Problem with that non-sense is that Apache Helicopters have stinger missiles, which are air to ground. I'd like to know how you can be sure that a jet fighter was right behind Flt. 93 when I heard nothing after Flt. 93 passed over my house that morning?

It's quite interesting to note that Truthers will always disreguard witness testimony when the Truthers aren't a witness to anything. Other than being crazy people who think everthings a "conspiracy by the U.S. Government".

Your missile theories are garbage!
 
It is my understanding Ed Felt was in the restroom of the plane and was on the phone when he said he just saw a "white flash", which would indicate the plane was hit by an air to air missile.

But you are wrong.

Any missile hit would have been recorded on the flight data recorders and voice recorders.

All existing air-to-air missiles are so small if any hit a 100 ton multi-engine jet would probably be able to make an emergency landing somewhere.

The plane was undamages and intact when it hit the ground.
 
But you are wrong.

Any missile hit would have been recorded on the flight data recorders and voice recorders.

All existing air-to-air missiles are so small if any hit a 100 ton multi-engine jet would probably be able to make an emergency landing somewhere.

The plane was undamages and intact when it hit the ground.

Did you friend Ed Felt say this in the call?
 
Did you friend Ed Felt say this in the call?

Got a link to a full transcript of the call?

In any case, a missile hit would be recorded. The plane was intact and undamaged when it hit the ground.
 
It is my understanding Ed Felt was in the restroom of the plane and was on the phone when he said he just saw a "white flash", which would indicate the plane was hit by an air to air missile.
To have seen a white flash from a missile, he would have to have been in lione of sight of the explosion, which, in that venue, would have killed him outright. Do learn how these things work before you maunder.
 

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