Flight 93

[Unsecured Coins]

I see you need this video as well

 

[Jackanory]

I see you need this video as well

No wonder Jam the spam wont call the coroner

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Wow. How dishonest can jammonius get?

I've already posted at least one quote from Wallace Miller. Here's another:

"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."

It may be true that he later clarified his statement or said that what he said is not what he said or meant or whatever. It is known, for example, that Miller has met with victims families and has talked about DNA.

In fact, Miller describes the process by which he rationalized the fact he had seen no remains with his conclusion they must be present, nonetheless:

"Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part. The emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies caused Miller to resolve to seek out and talk personally to every one of the victims' families."

Among the additional anamolies concerning DNA is the place where much of it was said to have been found and when:

"...the shock wave from Flight 93, a few hundred yards away, spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors and shook the foundation on Barry's place. It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later...."

All quotes in this post are sourced here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8

We know full well that people are under pressure to conform to the common myth or else they get called names and lose good jobs and such like, especially if they're in a position like Wallace Miller is.

Do you think the Somerset County PA coroner could openly and definitely be a 9/11 Truther? Maybe you do think that or will say you do, Big Al, but I don't think so. I think a person like that is under extreme pressure to conform.

I do, however, think he was honest in saying he saw no bodies. And, without bodies, it is hard to have reliable DNA samples. You agree?

Now, in any event, please post up your DNA proof, Big Al. Thanks in advance.

He was telling the truth when he said he saw "no bodies". But reconcile that with other statements:

As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.

Finally, some fragment of each of the dead had been positively identified, either by DNA or, in a few cases, fingerprints. So now the remains were going to be returned, he says, "and some people were going to look inside the caskets and I wanted them to know it would be shocking. I had to explain . . ."

"The remains of a number of passengers had been found in all five [search] sectors." –Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, quoted in Jere Longman's "Among the Heroes," p. 262.

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Now, why would he say that if he didn't find any trace of human remains whatsoever? Miller was saying that he found no intact corpses, not that he found no human remains whatsoever. That is clear when you look at all the evidence, not when you isolate statements and subtract context.

C'mon, Jam, how stupid do you think people are? You honestly think sophistry like that is going to convince anyone?

 

[lapman]

b

Big Al,


I've already posted at least one quote from Wallace Miller. Here's another:

"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."

Oh, I see that you have no idea of what a simile is. How many high speed aircraft crash scenes has he been to? None. So how would he know what to expect to see? All we have here is the man describing something that he had never seen before. Oh, how could there be a funeral service without the dead person there?

[mindless drivel snipped]

In fact, Miller describes the process by which he rationalized the fact he had seen no remains with his conclusion they must be present, nonetheless:

"Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part. The emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies caused Miller to resolve to seek out and talk personally to every one of the victims' families."

Oh, there is that pesky simile thing. Then he finds what? His first body part. So your own source proves you wrong.

Among the additional anamolies concerning DNA is the place where much of it was said to have been found and when:

"...the shock wave from Flight 93, a few hundred yards away, spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors and shook the foundation on Barry's place. It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later...."

What? More human remains that you claim don't exist because the coroner didn't see them when he first arrived. Talk about cherry picking. You weren't even smart enough to clip out the inconvenient part about him finding body parts.

All quotes in this post are sourced here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8

We know full well that people are under pressure to conform to the common myth or else they get called names and lose good jobs and such like, especially if they're in a position like Wallace Miller is.

We all know that you are under immense pressure to hold on to your fantasy. You have no problem lying and twisting what people say to keep your fantasy alive.

Do you think the Somerset County PA coroner could openly and definitely be a 9/11 Truther? Maybe you do think that or will say you do, Big Al, but I don't think so. I think a person like that is under extreme pressure to conform.

Since he clearly stated that he saw body parts, I can say with good authority that he is not a truther.

I do, however, think he was honest in saying he saw no bodies. And, without bodies, it is hard to have reliable DNA samples. You agree?

Yes he was honest in saying that. Do you think he was dishonest when he stated that he found body parts?

 

[aggle-rithm]

The idiocy...she is breathtaking.

 

[CurtC]

Front of the aircraft is typically first class, More legroom, Thus, windows spacing is wider. look to the coach section of the fuselage. Note the registration shown in this photo. N591UA, that's the actual aircraft that crashed near Shankville. Lets compare apples to apples. ok?

[qimg]http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/flight93windows.jpg[/qimg]

No, the spacing between the windows looks to be exactly the same in both first class and coach in this picture. I used a photo tool to cut out the front windows and paste them right above the ones farther back and they line up perfectly.

Boeing equips the planes to have a certain seat spacing according to the specifications from their customer, but the window spacing is fixed for all the units they produce of that type. That's why you don't always have a window right where your face is when you get a window seat - sometimes it's just over your shoulder, sometimes you have to lean forward to look out. The windows and the seats are spaced at different pitches.

 

[Jackanory]

Oh, I see that you have no idea of what a simile is. How many high speed aircraft crash scenes has he been to? None. So how would he know what to expect to see? All we have here is the man describing something that he had never seen before. Oh, how could there be a funeral service without the dead person there?

[mindless drivel snipped]
Oh, there is that pesky simile thing. Then he finds what? His first body part. So your own source proves you wrong.
What? More human remains that you claim don't exist because the coroner didn't see them when he first arrived. Talk about cherry picking. You weren't even smart enough to clip out the inconvenient part about him finding body parts.
We all know that you are under immense pressure to hold on to your fantasy. You have no problem lying and twisting what people say to keep your fantasy alive.
Since he clearly stated that he saw body parts, I can say with good authority that he is not a truther.
Yes he was honest in saying that. Do you think he was dishonest when he stated that he found body parts?

I can draw on my own experience of a simile. Not a very nice one but it does have some similarities with this coroner.

I, and numerous members of my team, witnessed a good friend and colleague going about the business of dealing with a large amount of munitions, explosives and weapons. These had been found, cleared, collected, disarmed and stored in a safe zone. The only thing left to do was to place all of these explosive items in one 'pile' and blow it all in situ. This pile consisted of claymore mines, improvised claymore mins, artillary shells, anti tank mines etc. Lots of explosive content. Big big bang. Exciting stuff.

Our friend and colleague was the man. It was his turn to do the deed. We all helped place these items. It was his turn to place the small charges of PE, dets, clips, cord, shrike etc. We watched him walk away with these items. Easy job. Done plenty of times. He walked out of view (distance from safety zone and earth bund obscured all). Within seonds we heard the huge bang, ground rumbled, earth, smoke and debris up in the air and knew immediately something was wrong. Wrong because of time. He had no time. The explosion was too soon. He wasnt with us to set it off etc.

After a safety time stop (routine) we approached the danger zone. No friend and colleague in site. Just a big smouldering crater. We looked for him, half believing that maybe he had used an alternative safe zone for detonation (knowing this not to be possible or part of our standard operating procedures). We found him, or parts of him and his uniform. Nobody else in this location for at least 500m. Just him.

We had a military board of enquiry. Statements from that board of enquiry where extensive and where littered with simile. I personaly said that i could not see him or find him. I also said that it was hard to believe that he was ever there at all as there was nothing of him to see. I also said that had i not been there i wouldnt have believed it. Some where in shock and despite witnessing the whole thing they still couldnt believe that it had happened and said excately that during the enquiry.

It happened. We witnessed it. We inadvertantly helped pick his body up and did so for some days afterwards. He was a mate. We knew his wife. We cleared his belongings and gave them to his mum.

Real life sucks sometimes. Simile is a reality of life.

 

[A W Smith]

No, the spacing between the windows looks to be exactly the same in both first class and coach in this picture. I used a photo tool to cut out the front windows and paste them right above the ones farther back and they line up perfectly.

Boeing equips the planes to have a certain seat spacing according to the specifications from their customer, but the window spacing is fixed for all the units they produce of that type. That's why you don't always have a window right where your face is when you get a window seat - sometimes it's just over your shoulder, sometimes you have to lean forward to look out. The windows and the seats are spaced at different pitches.

I stand corrected. Ive ignored the problems with camera focus length and the errors one may encounter when attempting to compare a crumpled piece of fuselage to an intact 757

 

[aggle-rithm]

I can draw on my own experience of a simile. Not a very nice one but it does have some similarities with this coroner.

I, and numerous members of my team, witnessed a good friend and colleague going about the business of dealing with a large amount of munitions, explosives and weapons. These had been found, cleared, collected, disarmed and stored in a safe zone. The only thing left to do was to place all of these explosive items in one 'pile' and blow it all in situ. This pile consisted of claymore mines, improvised claymore mins, artillary shells, anti tank mines etc. Lots of explosive content. Big big bang. Exciting stuff.

Our friend and colleague was the man. It was his turn to do the deed. We all helped place these items. It was his turn to place the small charges of PE, dets, clips, cord, shrike etc. We watched him walk away with these items. Easy job. Done plenty of times. He walked out of view (distance from safety zone and earth bund obscured all). Within seonds we heard the huge bang, ground rumbled, earth, smoke and debris up in the air and knew immediately something was wrong. Wrong because of time. He had no time. The explosion was too soon. He wasnt with us to set it off etc.

After a safety time stop (routine) we approached the danger zone. No friend and colleague in site. Just a big smouldering crater. We looked for him, half believing that maybe he had used an alternative safe zone for detonation (knowing this not to be possible or part of our standard operating procedures). We found him, or parts of him and his uniform. Nobody else in this location for at least 500m. Just him.

We had a military board of enquiry. Statements from that board of enquiry where extensive and where littered with simile. I personaly said that i could not see him or find him. I also said that it was hard to believe that he was ever there at all as there was nothing of him to see. I also said that had i not been there i wouldnt have believed it. Some where in shock and despite witnessing the whole thing they still couldnt believe that it had happened and said excately that during the enquiry.

It happened. We witnessed it. We inadvertantly helped pick his body up and did so for some days afterwards. He was a mate. We knew his wife. We cleared his belongings and gave them to his mum.

Real life sucks sometimes. Simile is a reality of life.

Wow...

It's posts like this that remind us of the enormity of what happened on flight 93. Unlike your friend, who likely never saw it coming, the people of flight 93 knew they were going to die. I can't even imagine what that would be like. Nor can I imagine the horror of the people who were there to help pick up the pieces.

jammonious, troll or no troll, is pissing on the graves of those who died horribly there. And for what? Just to get a little attention for himself. He clearly doesn't take any of this seriously, doesn't see any need to do anything with this "special knowlege" he possesses. He simply demands that others take action on his behalf.

This reminds me of why it's worth it to engage these cretins. It's time jammonius and others like him are held accountable for their monstrously inappropriate behavior.

 

[tsig]

The only problem is nobody but a small number of Internet trolls doubts that UAL 93 crashed in Shanksville.

no one has answered the argument from big orange words now we have the argument from big purple words they seem irrefutable to me.

 

[tsig]

What about your responsibility? You are the universal arbiter of what constitutes valid evidence and logic, and yet you failed to inform the FBI how to do their jobs.

The only possible explanation for this is that you are a sociopath, laughing at all the so-called "professionals" bungling their jobs, instead of using your considerable gifts to benefit society.

Shame on you!

Or he could be a terrorist shill. He does claim all kinds of inside knowledge and has the requisite mindset.

 

[tsig]

b

Big Al,

I have started to take a look at that other thread that you want to rely on for DNA proof purposes. You posted that in a thread involving the Pentagon, so I am not going to respond much until you show us what part of what you posted deals with Shanksville DNA.

I see that you've made reference to the AFIP, but you have not provided specific or concise information pertaining to DNA at Shanksville. Furthermore, and to be forthcoming here, big al, I can tell you that in furtherance of what Wallace Miller has said, I am concerned about the initial reports there were no bodies to be seen.

I've already posted at least one quote from Wallace Miller. Here's another:

"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."

It may be true that he later clarified his statement or said that what he said is not what he said or meant or whatever. It is known, for example, that Miller has met with victims families and has talked about DNA.

In fact, Miller describes the process by which he rationalized the fact he had seen no remains with his conclusion they must be present, nonetheless:

"Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part. The emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies caused Miller to resolve to seek out and talk personally to every one of the victims' families."


Among the additional anamolies concerning DNA is the place where much of it was said to have been found and when:

"...the shock wave from Flight 93, a few hundred yards away, spewed debris through the woods with such force that it blew out all the windows and doors and shook the foundation on Barry's place. It turned the whole Hoover property into a cemetery where human remains were still being found months later...."

All quotes in this post are sourced here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8

We know full well that people are under pressure to conform to the common myth or else they get called names and lose good jobs and such like, especially if they're in a position like Wallace Miller is.

Do you think the Somerset County PA coroner could openly and definitely be a 9/11 Truther? Maybe you do think that or will say you do, Big Al, but I don't think so. I think a person like that is under extreme pressure to conform.

I do, however, think he was honest in saying he saw no bodies. And, without bodies, it is hard to have reliable DNA samples. You agree?

Now, in any event, please post up your DNA proof, Big Al. Thanks in advance.

He saw body parts.

 

[Jackanory]

Wow...

It's posts like this that remind us of the enormity of what happened on flight 93. Unlike your friend, who likely never saw it coming, the people of flight 93 knew they were going to die. I can't even imagine what that would be like. Nor can I imagine the horror of the people who were there to help pick up the pieces.

jammonious, troll or no troll, is pissing on the graves of those who died horribly there. And for what? Just to get a little attention for himself. He clearly doesn't take any of this seriously, doesn't see any need to do anything with this "special knowlege" he possesses. He simply demands that others take action on his behalf.

This reminds me of why it's worth it to engage these cretins. It's time jammonius and others like him are held accountable for their monstrously inappropriate behavior.

Bolded is all its about with the likes of Jammonious. Attention, kudos from his peer group of socks and bating for kicks. All under the guise of wanting the truth. Sad really.

The reality is that we can all see from very early on in these threads, usually within the first few posts, that the thread is going nowhere and remains that way throughout. Yet 'debunkers' will feed it continuously instead of cutting it off and ignoring it. Yes i am guilty too. Although i tend to humor them, I refuse to do the list and links to evidence thing because it is pointless. I have extensive experience in some fields related to 911 (steel, aircraft and explosives) but it is pointless in engaging in debate with those who clearly know little or nothing about the topics in question. I get no satisfaction from giving them any evidence whatsoever. For whatever reason is given, all evidence from any 'believer in the OCT' is ignored.

If we came across a truther who was sincere and actually interested in listening, going away and educating themselves then coming back with something credible then fine. That very rarely happens and certainly doesnt happen enough for us to continue in the hope that it will.

 

[Jackanory]

Wow...

It's posts like this that remind us of the enormity of what happened on flight 93. Unlike your friend, who likely never saw it coming, the people of flight 93 knew they were going to die. I can't even imagine what that would be like. Nor can I imagine the horror of the people who were there to help pick up the pieces.

This reminds me of why it's worth it to engage these cretins. It's time jammonius and others like him are held accountable for their monstrously inappropriate behavior.

I wasnt in New York, Shanksville or at the Pentagon on 911 so i cant imagine what the day was like for all involved. Nobody can - except them. Particularly those sat on the aircraft and those who risked and lost their own lives going in afterwards. I can empathise with what people had to deal with though. This way of thought has been given a lable by the truthers. I cant recall exactely what it is but it is something like 'a play on emotion'. Bollox. Its reality and you cant beat reality to show true human emotion and failings. The coroner in Shanksville showed this. Real human emotion in a real life situation. His reaction is a true reaction. Not a movie reaction.

Truthers cant and dont empathise. Everything is a movie set to them. The aircraft are the imagined movie set aircraft that crumple like tin and are flimsy enough to squash against a building. The explosions are the imagined movie set explosions with lots of flashes and fire balls. The orders given to the firefighters on 911 are the imagined movie orders given by Nicholas Cage. The destruction of the WTC towers is the imagined movie set destruction of the Nakatomy Plaza in Die Hard. Truthers have never seen any of this in life - just movies. Thats why they compare videos on youtube to videos on youtube and attempt to compare a controlled demolition to the collapse of the WTC. Apples and oranges because in reality they know no different.

Reality is far different. Explosives dont behave the same way they do in the movies. Thats why they dont actually use them. The 'pyrotecnics' that are used are used for effect. I always think of the scene in Die Hard when Bruce Willis is holding a stick of explosives and puts one electric detonator into it then says '**** it' and puts another two, three or four into it. No wires, no det cord, no cables - just more electric detonators. One is more than enough. The others are redundant. Useless. Its just for effect.

That is how things should happen in the truther world. Like one big movie set where the District Attourney can rule the world with the power of subpeona bollox. Even the language and tone of voice coming from the truther is movie set. No wonder they have no empathy.

 

[Reactor drone]

The distance, between the windows shown on the 757 (assuming it is a 757) above in post 649, is approximately the height of each window. On the debris shown in post 620, the distance between the windows is approximately 2/3rds the height. Anybody know why this should be? Is the distance between windows standard on all 757's or does it vary with model?

That's mostly an optical illusion because you're seeing the window from the inside.I've scaled the pic onto a 757 and painted the aluminium white to show how different it looks when you can only see the window.

Window spacing is determined by the distance between the fuselage frames.

 

[wargord]

Jammonius

With this post I will prove that not only have you never once provided a valid source but that you are a hypocrite and a liar.

Allow me to direct you to post #148 where you make the statement, "As you know, the drill is if you make a claim, you have to source it." And in post #185, using a selection from SkepticWIki.org's 'Burden of Proof' page, you further show that the onus of proof is on the claimer.
You then state that only a "valid source" can be used to prove ones claim.

In post #198 you establish your requirements for the authentication of "valid sources:" "notarization, affidavit of preparation by whom, to whom, when, etc."

In post #129 you make known your distaste of CNN. This distaste is seen as your not allowing it to be considered "valid evidence." This starts your list as to what you will accept as a "valid source." You also state in this post, "...hadn't your first duty, if you're going to challenge people, be that of posting up some proof..." Your statement establishes that if one is to challenge others it is the obligation of the challenger to post proof of his position first. This proof then must follow your established requirements of "valid sources."

In post #139 you state you wont accept evidence obtained from a newspaper. This new requirement is added to your list of what "valid source" is.

In post #141 you further reiterate that newspapers cannot be used as a "valid source."

Again, in post #143, you reiterate that newspapers cannot be used as a "valid source" with the statement, "I want you to post up a valid source (not some dumb newspaper)..."

In post #149 you make it clear that Zacarias Moussaoui is not a "valid source." Though this was in response to BigAl asking for the evidence in the Moussaoui trial that was accept as real by both the Defense and Prosecution.

In post #153 you ask why BigAl would use the 9/11 Commission Report as a "valid source" when it has been established that the report has been "repudiated and found to have been unreliable." This establishes that you do not consider the 9/11 Commission Report to be at all a "valid source" and it is added to the list.

In post #165 you imply that if a person in authority hasn't declared that photos taken of an incident are proof of that incident then it cannot be considered a "valid source."

In post #221 you reiterate your requirement of "validated and authenticated" sources.

In post #243 you reiterate that the 9/11 Commission Report cannot be used as a "valid source" because, "it encountered deception such that the commission's report is not considered by those who prepared it, including most recently, John Farmer, have warned us that the truth of 9/11 hasn't been told."

In post #252 you make it clear that the FAA cannot be used as a "valid source" because, "the FAA's actions are so tainted as to render meaningless any attempt to rely on what the FAA says..."

In post #323 you state that, "NTSB has only provided secondary analysis...," placing the NTSB on the list of non "valid sources."

In post #357 you assert that "the first responders are among the best sources of information..." for the crash of UA Flight 93. With this you have put the first responders at the top of the list of what a "valid source" is. One first responder, the only first responder, that you use is Wallace Miller. You use quotes attributed to him in newspapers, that you don't accept as a "valid source," in an attempt to prove that UA Flight 93 never crashed. You acknowledge that he clarified these quotes later on to have been taken out of context, though you assert these later statements from Wallace Miller are lies. Again, you didn't provide any "valid source" for this claim.

In post #386, after continually making the claim that military exercises were being conducted on 9/11 making cellphone and radio communications not reliable as a "valid source," you finally post a source for your claim. This source, however, is the 9/11 Commission Report which you have already established as not being a "valid source." So you have shown that your claim cannot be proven.

In post #226 you criticized Beachnuts photo of the crash site of UA Flight 93 because it did "not show conditions that are consistent with a jetliner crash." No sources were provided with that claim. This is in direct violation of what you, yourself, had established in posts 148 and 185.

Post 226 is not the only post in which you make claims and fail to provide any sources, let alone the "valid sources" that you say are required to be provided by those that make a claim.

Following is a list of your posts where you make claims and provide no sources: 133, 141, 142, 143, 151, 153, 156, 165, 185, 198, 202, 204, 211, 219, 221, 225, 226, 234, 243, 252, 264, 308, 312, 317, 323, 324, 325, 350, 351, 353, 354, 357, 358, 366, 377, 389, 397, 407, 418, 420, 425, 427, 429, 443, 444, 461, 467, 469, 470, 472, 481, 483, 486, 490, 495, 498, 502, 506, 507, 520, 522, 524, 527, 533, 538, 542, 544, 549, 550, 571, 582, 600, 602, 620, 632, 644, 653, 666, 671, 683, 687, 696.

Following is a list of your posts where you make claims and provide sources: 129, 139, 212, 386, 443, 522, 538, 659, 700, though all your sources do not meet the requirements you established for "valid resources," so you have shown that you have completely failed to provide a "valid source," something you demanded from everyone else.

In post #411 you have a brief moment of enlightenment and accept that you were completely wrong about the events of 9/11. Though this realization of how wrong you were is short lived as you revert back to your lies in post #418

In post #666 you explain why you only use HistoryCommons.org as a source for the claims you actually source when it is pointed out to you that HistoryCommons.org are only amateurs "who are biased towards a conspiracy." Something that you have already declared as not a "valid source." Even though you acknowledge this, and then state that it isn't a credible source, you proceed to use HistoryCommons.org as a source.

In post #674 you state, "Well posters, we're approaching # 675 and still NO discussion of FBI accountability," a statement that you have continuously made throughout this thread. Though you have never provided any "valid sources" that the FBI botched their investigation, another claim you constantly repeated in this thread with out once providing any "valid sources."

Now, until you can provide a "valid source" for the claims you make, no one will ever take you seriously here, not that they did anyway. But now you know that you are full of it, as proven by your own statements.

 

[LashL]

Seriously, people, it is obvious that anyone actively promoting the insane theories of Judy Wood is quite unwell.

There is nothing to be gained by trying to discuss things rationally with someone who is so obviously unwell. It's merely picking low hanging fruit, and we should not do that.

Only the outer extreme of the very outer fringe of 9/11 conspiracy fantasists even remotely entertains no-planer nonsense (because they are delusional beyond the help of any of us here) - let alone space beam weapon nonsense (which only the most extremely delusional among the delusional entertain) so I really think that the most humane thing to do here is not to engage further with someone promulgating such lunacy. Doing so borders on cruelty, given the obvious limitations of the proponents of such insanity.

Seriously. It's like ChristopherA revisited. Once it becomes clear that someone isn't playing with anywhere near a full deck, it's time to stop and hope that appropriate mental health professionals are able to assist the person rather than smacking her/him down repeatedly, and rather than engaging further with the person's delusions, as both may serve only to further his/her delusions, or may drive such a person even deeper into crazyville, or may cause a delusional person to go off in ways that one cannot even anticipate, but which would not be healthy for him/her.

Seriously. It's time to stop.

Seriously.

Have I said "seriously" enough times yet?

I'm serious.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Yeah, we hear you LashL. But what do you really mean?




































Seriously...

 

[beachnut]

Have I said "seriously" enough times yet?

I'm serious.

You are right.

 

[lapman]

Now, until you can provide a "valid source" for the claims you make, no one will ever take you seriously here, not that they did anyway. But now you know that you are full of it, as proven by your own statements.

That's the thing. No matter what the source, he will find some sort of fault no matter how obsure it is. United could release the serial numbers and the parts and he would say they were fake even if all the records from Boeing were included.