Flat Earth Internation Conference 2017!!!

[SOdhner]

So all cartographers (and even Geography degree holders, since we all take at least one Cartography course) are in on it! Even me... oh well, I guess I can kiss that monthly payment from the sphericalist conspiracy HQ good-bye now that I've spilled the beans!

Well they seem to be just made of money. I tried to figure out how many people they're paying off and how much money they would have to spend keeping an eye on the edge, but almost immediately it was essentially all the money in the world. This conspiracy is not just the largest employer on Earth, it's bigger than all the others combined. Honestly at this point I'm not sure why we uh, they bother.

Take a barometer, and climb a mountain. What happens to the air pressure?

It gets paid off and becomes part of the conspiracy?

What I always wonder is when the conspiracy that makes us all believe the earth is round is going to reveal their time machine that allowed them to start the conspiracy in 500BC and keep patrolling the earth ever since.

I want to know what that very first guy was thinking. "Well, Ive determined the shape of the Earth. Hmm. You know what? I'm going to dedicate my life to convincing everyone it's actually a sphere, just for laughs. I'm going to need to start a discwide - no, "global", hah! - conspiracy to trick everyone and make up all sorts of internally consistent science and patrol the edge even though it's unbelieveably massive and... man this is a lot of work for no real payoff. Better get started!"

Does anybody have some thoughts about how to determine if somebody really believes the Earth is flat?

I think about that a lot. There are so many people that are just trolling, and it's such a crazy theory that it's hard to tell even the unsophisticated trolls from the real thing. There's just nothing a troll could say where I would be tipped off because the true believers will say ANYTHING.

I think.

I mean, it's possible I've never encountered a true believer and they're ALL trolls.

But what keeps the sea from flowing away? Liquids have to be kept in a container! All those pictures of the sea must be fake because it must really be under glass.

I wonder why atmospheric pressure falls with altitude? Why climbers need oxygen and water boils at a lower temperature?

The world is accelerating upwards, so the air and water gets squished down in the same way that you get squished back into your seat when the driver suddenly speeds up. The air would flow off the edge, but we're in a dome.

You'd think with all this accelleration (which has been going on for at least 6,000 years if you're a Young Flat Earth Creationist) we would be going some insane speed but whatever is causing it seems to have no intention of slowing. Man, I hope it doesn't abruptly hit the brakes or we'll all slam into the dome.

As to the going east or west when you're on the equator you'll eventually come to an ice wall: I didn't know that, thanks again.

Well... depending on the map, the equator is a circle. So East/West yes, but equator no. Or... should we just say 'rimwards'? Does East or West mean anything on a Flat Earth? Where's the South pole? I really wish they'd make a map they could all agree on, but of course they can't have one that could be tested.

 

[BillC]

Behold the flat Earth wiki: https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

 

[Daniel]

Sea Sparrow are Anti Aircraft Missiles, they are fired at targets that are up in the air, above the surface.

Thanks!! You have Absolutely "No Clue" to what you're talking about...

"ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS."
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/evolved-sea-sparrow-missile-essm/


regards

 

[Daniel]

All pretty heavily c&p from

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/212611-a-question-for-flat-earth-proponents/?page=2

I'm Enoch2021 on Worthy Christian Forums

Do you have a coherent substantive argument/position in lieu of this feeble ad hom fallacy by chance?


regards

 

[Daniel]

I'm pretty sure the U.S navy has aircraft that can fly higher than 80 feet.

What on Earth does this have to do with Bertlmann's Socks?


regards

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm Enoch2021 on Worthy Christian Forums

Do you have a coherent substantive argument/position in lieu of this feeble ad hom fallacy by chance?

regards

That is not an ad hom fallacy, and it was in fact cut and pasted from that forum.

Heck you don't even have to be standing on the top of Everest to see that far. You know, Everest where you said that the horizon is much further away, which is due to the fact the Earth is not flat?

 

[Daniel]

A pretty awful example. Firstly, the Sea Sparrow is a medium range air-to-air missile

Thanks!! You also have absolutely NO Clue to what you're talking about...

"ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS."
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/evolved-sea-sparrow-missile-essm/

That last statement is a barefaced lie;

So a "Na'ahh, liar liar pants on fire defense"? Riveting.

you actually refuse to hear the mechanism by which atmospheric pressure is able to exist, despite having it explained to you in detail in other threads.

1. I refuse to hear, eh?

2. Delusions of Past Vicarious Delusions of Grandeur.


regards

 

[Daniel]

That is not an ad hom fallacy, and it was in fact cut and pasted from that forum.

Yes it is...he was attacking my credibility in lieu of an argument. It's TEXTBOOK!

regards

 

[MikeG]

Behold the flat Earth wiki: https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

From that:

The earth isn't pulled into a sphere because the force known as gravity exists in a greatly diminished form compared to what is commonly taught. The earth is constantly accelerating up at a rate of 32 feet per second squared (or 9.8 meters per second squared). This constant acceleration causes what you think of as gravity. Imagine sitting in a car that never stops speeding up. You will be forever pushed into your seat. The earth works much the same way. It is constantly accelerating upwards being pushed by a universal accelerator (UA) known as dark energy or aetheric wind.

Could someone work out what acceleration of 9.8 m/sec/sec for 6000 years would mean our current speed through space would be, according to this formula, and assuming a YEC take on the age of the planet.

 

[Imhotep]

1. The Moon
2. Ships and the horizon
3. Varying star constellations
4. Shadows and sticks
5. Seeing farther from higher
6. Ride a plane
7. Look at other planets
8. The existence of time zones
9. The pull of gravity
10. Images from space

https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

 

[Daniel]

The earth is flat! We know that from GPS, which we derive from a series of satellites orbiting the... ummmm.... globe in.... errrr... space.

'Satellites' on Balloons...

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/wallops/2017/nasas-super-pressure-balloon-takes-flight-from-new-zealand


regards

 

[Dave Rogers]

"ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS."

And it would be against, for example, "high-diving threats," "attack aircraft" and "helicopters" that its maximum range would be of use and practically achievable; alternatively, using a stand-off aircraft to paint the target would allow over-the-horizon use. But you've already had it explained to you that it was originally a repurposed air-to-air missile that inherited the effective range of the original; clearly it's only the difficulty of cultivating a sufficiently plausible level of feigned misunderstanding that prevents you from replying to that. Do you have any associates who can assist with your scriptwriting? I think some aspects of your character and dialogue need external input.

Dave

 

[Daniel]

What is supposed to be the motive for lying about the earth being a sphere?

1. Appeal to Motive/Intent (Fallacy).

2. Well you can't have a Flat/Non-Spinning/Domed/Geocentric Earth in Shangri-La, the "Jig is Up" in a Prima Facie sorta way.

regards

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes it is...he was attacking my credibility in lieu of an argument. It's TEXTBOOK!

regards

He was not doing that, he was simply pointing out the source, and in any event, challenging the credibility of one's claims is not fallacious.

Which is something someone can see from the top of Mount Everest which at 29,029 Feet, the Horizon is at 208 Miles because the Earth is not flat.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Thanks!! You also have absolutely NO Clue to what you're talking about...

And now you have to resort to cherry picking. Sad.

And, yes, you have told an outright lie by claiming you wish to hear something you clearly do not.

Dave

 

[Daniel]

Oh? How does the horizon depend on height?

Bit of a slip, there, ehh, Daniel?

You bumble into this 'discussion' and you ask this??

This is tantamount to a Neurosurgical Candidate during an interview with the Head of Neurosurgery, suddenly exclaiming: "What's a Cerebellum??"


regards and Thank!!

 

[The Big Dog]

'Satellites' on Balloons...

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/wallops/2017/nasas-super-pressure-balloon-takes-flight-from-new-zealand


regards

"NASA successfully launched its football-stadium-sized, heavy-lift super pressure balloon (SPB) from Wanaka, New Zealand, at 10:50 a.m. Tuesday, April 25 (6:50 p.m. April 24 in U.S. Eastern Time), on a mission designed to run 100 or more days floating at 110,000 feet (33.5 km) about the globe in the southern hemisphere's mid-latitude band."

Did you mean to quote another source showing the fact that the earth is round? By the way, if the Earth was flat, you could see that balloon at all times from anywhere on the globe pancake

 

[Daniel]

Perhaps you would like to read those articles a bit more closely?

I have. Do you have a coherent rebuttal by chance?

Take a barometer, and climb a mountain. What happens to the air pressure?

Explain.

It drops. What's next, Hit the Gas in your car...what happens to the Speedometer?

Yes. It is wrong.

So another "Na'ahh" defense? Riveting!! You wouldn't happen to be Pre-Law by chance?

You know, from way back when they didn't quite know what they were talking about?

Oh goodness

Please share....?


regards

 

[The Big Dog]

It drops.
regards

Excellent! Now you have just rebutted your earlier claim that the pressure of the atmosphere is dependent on its "container".

Just like you rebutted your claim that the earth is flat by reference to the horizon at Everest.

And citing to papers mentioning the globe and hemispheres.

 

[threadworm]

I'm Enoch2021 on Worthy Christian Forums

Do you have a coherent substantive argument/position in lieu of this feeble ad hom fallacy by chance?


regards

Not an ad hom, merely pointing out how lazy you are by not posting anything original here. There are rules about that sort of thing, in addition to it being common courtesy.

I'm still waiting for for a coherent and substantive argument/response to the posts made in rebutting your ludicrous 'all CGI' claim. Seems to me that you recycling nonsense that you post elsewhere (including an article that discusses over the horizon radar ) coincided very conveniently with posts that proved your CGI claims to be nonsense.