Facebook bans far right groups

[PhantomWolf]

Not to defend the Christchurch terrorist, but he's not a special case of right wing moron. He's fairly representative of a lot of the extreme right. He was part of the forum that coined the ok-"hoax". The only thing that makes him different is that he's acted on his beliefs. Not all of them have. Yet.

Actually I disagree that he was fairly representative of them. Most Far Right WS want to be part of a group and so are joiners in those type of groups. The Chch shooter wasn't, he seems to have been much more of loner in a similar style to Anders Breivik. Neither seem to have belonged to an official far right wing group, rather working alone with only nebulous connections via the internet to others. So no, I don't believe that he is representative of them.

Also, the libs aren't upset because the right wingers flash the ok sign. They are upset because people like you keep telling them to ignore it.

Because ignoring it is the right thing to do. It's not those that are flashing the Ok gesture that are making it a racist symbol, it's those on the left that are declaring it do. That is exactly what those doing it want, you are actually acting in the exact way they want you too. That means that they win because you look stupid. If you ignore them then they don't get their way and they stop doing it because it becomes pointless.

 

[Belz...]

Not all right wingers flash the ok-sign. Those that do are racist, or at least ok with being perceived as such.

It's really easy to put people in categories that allow you to dismiss or assault them at will.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Actually I disagree that he was fairly representative of them. Most Far Right WS want to be part of a group and so are joiners in those type of groups. The Chch shooter wasn't, he seems to have been much more of loner in a similar style to Anders Breivik. Neither seem to have belonged to an official far right wing group, rather working alone with only nebulous connections via the internet to others. So no, I don't believe that he is representative of them.

Exactly clearly not real white supremacists just trolls. If they were serious they would have joined those groups.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Exactly like those sieg heiling and such. All just trolling. The 6 million more chant was also just trolling the libs.

All performative white supremacy is just trolling because it is looking for a reaction.

Please just stop with the strawmanning for once, you just hurt your own arguments and make yourself look stupid.

 

[uke2se]

Actually I disagree that he was fairly representative of them. Most Far Right WS want to be part of a group and so are joiners in those type of groups. The Chch shooter wasn't, he seems to have been much more of loner in a similar style to Anders Breivik. Neither seem to have belonged to an official far right wing group, rather working alone with only nebulous connections via the internet to others. So no, I don't believe that he is representative of them.

I don't think you understand the extreme right at all. He was a part of a group. He made his friends and connections on the internet. That was his life. That is representative of a great many on the extreme right.

Because ignoring it is the right thing to do. It's not those that are flashing the Ok gesture that are making it a racist symbol, it's those on the left that are declaring it do. That is exactly what those doing it want, you are actually acting in the exact way they want you too. That means that they win because you look stupid. If you ignore them then they don't get their way and they stop doing it because it becomes pointless.

No, you are acting in the way they want you to. They want centrists to accuse leftists of seeing racism everywhere. They want this kind of discussion. Simply not playing their game and seeing their shenanigans for what they are is the right thing to do. When they tell you they are racists, listen to them, even if they are being "ironic" and "it's just a joke bro".

 

[PhantomWolf]

Not all right wingers flash the ok-sign. Those that do are racist, or at least ok with being perceived as such.

Not all dogs are black, but the black ones are evil because I say so!

Also, ADL isn't the president of the left wing. They have their opinions, I have mine.

Funny thing, when it comes to whose opinion I'm going to take when the choices are an anonymous person on the internet who's arguments are irrational, and the ADL who are actual experts on the subject of racist and such, and who present a clear and well documented argument, call me silly, but I'm going to go with them.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Please just stop with the strawmanning for once, you just hurt your own arguments and make yourself look stupid.

The goal in these actions is to trigger the libs, so by definition it is trolling. That really is the case. They are not chanting "6 million more" to win converts they are doing it to trigger the libs.

 

[uke2se]

Not all dogs are black, but the black ones are evil because I say so!

That's not analogous at all.

Funny thing, when it comes to whose opinion I'm going to take when the choices are an anonymous person on the internet who's arguments are irrational, and the ADL who are actual experts on the subject of racist and such, and who present a clear and well documented argument, call me silly, but I'm going to go with them.

Go right ahead. Who am I to have a different opinion on "ok" signs than the "experts on racism"?

 

[PhantomWolf]

I don't think you understand the extreme right at all. He was a part of a group. He made his friends and connections on the internet. That was his life. That is representative of a great many on the extreme right.

Being on a forum on the internet does not make you part of a actual official group. Just because we are on this forum, and we might consider some other posters friends, doesn't mean that we are part of some Official ISF group or club.

No, you are acting in the way they want you to. They want centrists to accuse leftists of seeing racism everywhere. They want this kind of discussion. Simply not playing their game and seeing their shenanigans for what they are is the right thing to do. When they tell you they are racists, listen to them, even if they are being "ironic" and "it's just a joke bro".

You are seeing racism everywhere.

 

[Belz...]

Please just stop with the strawmanning for once

That's like asking him to stop breathing.

 

[uke2se]

Being on a forum on the internet does not make you part of a actual official group. Just because we are on this forum, and we might consider some other posters friends, doesn't mean that we are part of some Official ISF group or club.

That's not what he thought.

You are seeing racism everywhere.

I'm seeing it where it is.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The goal in these actions is to trigger the libs, so by definition it is trolling. That really is the case. They are not chanting "6 million more" to win converts they are doing it to trigger the libs.

You are still strawmanning this entire thing.

The fact is that we know for a fact that the whole "OK=WP" thing was a hoax, created on 4chan with the expressly stated purpose of triggering liberals to make them look so stupid that no one would want anything to do with them.

If you can find any evidence that WS do everything else to troll Liberalsm then post it, otherwise stop with the pathetic strawman.

 

[Belz...]

I'm seeing it where it is.

Well, that went right over your head, didn't it?

 

[PhantomWolf]

That's not what he thought.

You know what was going on in his head?

I'm seeing it where it is.

No you aren't because you are claiming that anyone that does it is racist, a claim that the ADL categorically refutes by pointing out that it has become a thing with some member of the right to do merely to upset Liberals. Doing something to upset liberals is not doing it because racism.

 

[carlitos]

Is there a facepalm big enough?

First off, the "OK" symbol actually means that you are gay, you're broke, or you are giving someone the middle finger. It all depends on where in the world you are.

In parts of latin america, it means "culero" (butthole).

 

[sadhatter]

I don't think you understand the extreme right at all. He was a part of a group. He made his friends and connections on the internet. That was his life. That is representative of a great many on the extreme right.




No, you are acting in the way they want you to. They want centrists to accuse leftists of seeing racism everywhere. They want this kind of discussion. Simply not playing their game and seeing their shenanigans for what they are is the right thing to do. When they tell you they are racists, listen to them, even if they are being "ironic" and "it's just a joke bro".

Perfect example of being in the centre and having two groups of idiots on either side.

" they are manipulating you, so just accept my opinion instead. " being in the centre doesn't mean we are undecided. It means we think you are both stupid.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Being on a forum on the internet does not make you part of a actual official group

Exactly why he was not a real white supremacist and just a troll. Really there are very few true white supremacists who are members in good standing of white supremacist groups.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You are still strawmanning this entire thing.

Not at all. What organized groups were the people protesting holocaust remembrance day chanting "6 million more" a part of? Or was it just some trolls off a message board?

The fact is that we know for a fact that the whole "OK=WP" thing was a hoax, created on 4chan with the expressly stated purpose of triggering liberals to make them look so stupid that no one would want anything to do with them.

Yes white supremacists made a "fake" white supremacist symbol to trigger the libs for identifying them as white supremacists. And of course as they were white supremacists it was also an accurate identification. Like all the other fake symbols they use like 88 and so forth.

 

[I Am The Scum]

You are still strawmanning this entire thing.

He was just triggering you.

That's not a problem, is it?

 

[jimbob]

It's a signal being used by white supremacists in what was originally a "joke" that became serious. They are telling us they are racists. We are listening.

ETA: I don't think anyone's offended by the hand gesture. What's offensive is that we are expected not to react when someone is saying "I'm a proud racist".

Exactly it is like doing a good old seig heil. I call out that the person is a nazi but it does not exactly trigger PTSD in me. Personally for triggering people I think setting off fireworks at the VA is better. Laugh riot there.

Indeed. Keep listening as the racists keep outing themselves.
https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1134101771419377664/photo/1

Come on. You know the answer to this.

It is the OK symbol. However some racists have started using it as a symbol to proclaim their racism. People don't have context-free communication. I sometimes sit on a poof, which is a type of cushion. Smoking a fag is increasingly rare, but usually isn't a violent act. Churchill wasn't being obscene when he gave this inverted V sign

Yep like the christchurch shooter. He really triggered the libs.

ETA: I didn't mean to put the big grin emoji at the top of this post