Face, meet leopard. Leopard, meet face.

[Norman Alexander]

I was struck by this; "Violating the Florida abortion law can mean up to five years in prison, fines of up to $5,000 and loss of medical licenses for healthcare providers". The fine, of up to a few thousand bucks, seems like a ridiculously futile extra little slap on the wrist, compared to the huge threat of 5 years jail and being struck off from your profession. Weird disproprtion, like "the sentence of the court is loss of parking privileges... and death".

For black or Hispanic doctors, this might actually be a credible threat.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

To be honest, my scale is completely off.

I believe in the taxation of billionaires, the provision of public health services for all, a strong social safety net and a program of massive limitations on the power of corporations.

Which puts me firmly on the far, far, far left as far as most people are concerned. The US 'middle', to me, is not.

Based on US political terminology, I'm somwhere well to the left of anarcho-syndicalism.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Based on US political terminology, I'm somwhere well to the left of anarcho-syndicalism.

Based on US political terminology, I'm Lenin.

..And so's my dog.

 

[malbui]

Based on US political terminology, I'm somwhere well to the left of anarcho-syndicalism.

Twenty years ago, when I was working for a brief while in Dallas, my colleagues were convinced that politically I was somewhere between Mao and Proudhon. Mainly because I didn't share their enthusiasm for bombing random countries in the hope of regime change.

 

[autumn1971]

The mother didn't get a goddamned abortion in the first place. They got treated for an ectopic pregnancy that put their life at risk!And it absolutely was a medical emergency


Speculation, driven by your own ideological beliefs and a willingness to ascribe malicious intent to an entire state in order to push your narrative.

.This is propaganda from you.

Yes. Describing a thing that actually happened is just partisan propaganda

 

[Helen]

The mother didn't get a goddamned abortion in the first place. They got treated for an ectopic pregnancy that put their life at risk!And it absolutely was a medical emergency

But that is an abortion, isn't it, ie a medical termination of a pregnancy, as opposed to a miscarriage?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

But that is an abortion, isn't it, ie a medical termination of a pregnancy, as opposed to a miscarriage?

Nuances matter. Emily's Cat isn't a centrist; she's a moderate. Birthright citizenship isn't predicated on the legality of parents' immigration status; it's reserved for the children of legal immigrants. And Cammack didn't get an abortion; she got a medical procedure to end a pregnancy.

No, it doesn't make any sense to me, either. But apparently it's important.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Reposted from another thread

Trump’s Latino supporters are learning the hard way: He meant every word

This is an occasional roundup of people who voted for Donald Trump and are shocked to find out no one is immune from the damage and pain he causes. Many are now grappling with the consequences of ...

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This is an occasional roundup of people who voted for Donald Trump and are shocked to find out no one is immune from the damage and pain he causes. Many are now grappling with the consequences of their choice as it affects them and their loved ones—and possibly regretting their vote.

NBC News went to Miami’s Republican strongholds—Cuban and Nicaraguan communities—and found something remarkable: Trump supporters realizing they’ve been used.

Whu'dathunk.

“I thought they were going to be targeting criminals,” Trump supporter Estefany Peña told CalMatters. “‘No one mentioned during the campaigning of Donald Trump that residents … legal residents … were going to have to go through this,’ she said. Her husband, who came to the country legally in 1999 and has a green card, went to an immigration office in San Francisco for a check-in in late January and still hasn’t come home, she said.”

Except we did mention it. Repeatedly. But you didn’t care.

Where's that purring leopard? Oh, here we go.

 

[shemp]

◊◊◊◊ 'em all! ◊◊◊◊ every stupid ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Latino idiot who supported him!

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Sorry, I can't hear you over Voodoo purring.

 

[Minoosh]

It's kind of pointless to invoke the "original intention" of Amendments, and has been for a while.
The "original intention" of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that state militias were adequately armed when Congress took control of them when needed, since there was no standing army at the time, e.g. Washington leading the militias that put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Look how that one's evolved.

Also it meant people had the right to bear ... muskets.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

This part, if true, is chilling:

[Peña's] husband, who came to the country legally in 1999 and has a green card, went to an immigration office in San Francisco for a check-in in late January and still hasn’t come home, she said.”

We are now at the stage where people just disappear. Picked off the street, taken from their homes, detained at checkups. Off to El Salvador you go. Will you get any kind of legal proceedings? Nope. Will we inform your next of kin? Nah. Will you ever come back? Doubtful.

 

[Minoosh]

But that is an abortion, isn't it, ie a medical termination of a pregnancy, as opposed to a miscarriage?

A miscarriage is also an abortion.

The medical termination of a pregnancy is also an abortion. It ends a pregnancy. And ectopic pregnancy is a form of pregnancy.

I think I *might* know what Emily's Cat means - an ectopic pregnancy is never a viable pregnancy. Maybe it should be called something else, but it is by common parlance a pregnancy.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

◊◊◊◊ 'em all! ◊◊◊◊ every stupid ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Latino idiot who supported him!

There's something about warning people for literally years, and then when the thing they've been warned against comes to pass they scream "BUT HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN?!" that makes me want to whack them upside the head with a kitchen chair. Hard.

 

[Minoosh]

This part, if true, is chilling:

We are now at the stage where people just disappear. Picked off the street, taken from their homes, detained at checkups. Off to El Salvador you go. Will you get any kind of legal proceedings? Nope. Will we inform your next of kin? Nah. Will you ever come back? Doubtful.

She never says she doesn't know where he is. She said he went to an immigration office in San Francisco for a check-in. According to her, they wouldn't let him leave and tried to get him to sign a form to leave the country voluntarily. His name is Joel Jacuinde and according to CalMatters he does not show up on a database of people ICE has in custody.

In the story about the stateless man sent to Jamaica (where he's never been), he claims someone from ICE said (paraphrasing), "There's something wrong here - I don't have paperwork on half these people."

It's *probable* she doesn't know where he is.

It is also (just barely) conceivable that he voluntarily walked away from his life - but I don't think that's what happened.

 

[Flo]

There's something about warning people for literally years, and then when the thing they've been warned against comes to pass they scream "BUT HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN?!" that makes me want to whack them upside the head with a kitchen chair. Hard.

Or with a full leather hardbound copy of "Project 2025" in folio format

 

[Minoosh]

What you're doing is propaganda. And it's the approach that YOU are using right here that is causing doctors to be so afraid to take action that people's lives end up at risk. YOU are driving doctors to be afraid to treat situations where the mother's life is at risk, even though it is absolutely legal for them to do so.

If doctors are really that afraid of a guy from the International Skeptics Forum we have a lot more power than I thought!

Reading between the lions (or leopards): I'm not sure I trust Cammack's version of events. It's quite a reach to blame the media, or the left, for doctors' hesitation ... if there was any. According to you, the procedure wasn't even an abortion. Surely doctors would be aware of this? So how could they have been that afraid of violating abortion law?

BTW: One thing about many anti-abortion laws that I find telling: They rarely provide for punishment of women getting abortions. I'm NOT saying women should be punished - just that such laws treat women as if they lack agency. Passing such a law is like punishing a hitman and letting the person who ordered the hit walk away.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Or with a full leather hardbound copy of "Project 2025" in folio format

Oh yes, Project 2025. Remember when we tried to warn them about Project 2025 (which the useless ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ media of course completely ignored) and they were all like "oh no, the Führer has pinky promised he won't do that, and he'd never lie to us!"

Trumpkins have to be the most gullible people I've ever met in my life.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Oh yes, Project 2025. Remember when we tried to warn them about Project 2025 (which the useless ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ media of course completely ignored) and they were all like "oh no, the Führer has pinky promised he won't do that, and he'd never lie to us!"

Trumpkins have to be the most gullible people I've ever met in my life.

The Trump organisation spotted that years ago. Who do you think has been making millions out of selling them Trump merch?

 

[EHocking]

There's something about warning people for literally years, and then when the thing they've been warned against comes to pass they scream "BUT HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN?!" that makes me want to whack them upside the head with a kitchen chair. Hard.