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johnny karate said:
Wholeheartedly agree. I really do not understand this mindset that says we must find a way to placate these people or it will somehow get worse.

First of all, placating people who hate you and are actively trying to harm you is a losing proposition. It never works.

And secondly, as you pointed out, we've already arrived at worse. This is the endgame. They want our children to die of preventable disease, they want our cities occupied by the military, they want to dispense with the rule of law and make us all subject to their supreme leader. This is all happening right now.

If that's not the worst case scenario, what is?
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"Don't let's be beastly to the trumpkins!"
 
Helen said:
Many people are badly educated, and very unsophisticated when it comes to parsing politics, and some are simply not that bright. You can understand that, you can even pity them, it really is not the same as excusing the bad choices they make.
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My understanding and pity were depleted somewhere around the point where they began actively trying to harm me and my loved ones.
 
johnny karate said:
My understanding and pity were depleted somewhere around the point where they began actively trying to harm me and my loved ones.
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And all the times we thought "okay, now surely they'll turn on him!" from 2016 onwards. ◊◊◊◊ that. If he dies and the cult dissolves, fine. But I've given up being hopeful. I hate to say it, but if there's one thing I've learned since he first ran for Führer it's that I can't underestimate the American people enough.
 
newyorkguy said:
There have been (and are) nations in Europe that have had right - wing surges. I think maybe we need to start looking at how moderates and progressives have and are dealing with it there. What has worked and what hasn't.
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If I remember right, I think at least two nations were on the brink of voting in right-wing (extreme right wing in one case), but the exposure of Trump and MAGA may have swung the elections there. Canada and Germany.
 
Lithrael said:
They don't believe it. They think the judge hates him and is crooked and cooked up the whole thing out of a false accuser who also hates him. It could happen to you!

And they think anyone who doesn't think it's very likely that Hillary was having her staff murdered or whatever is a blind fool who can't see the facts in front of their face.

Oh and the justice system is crooked against Republicans and that's why they won't be charged for obvious murder but Trump had to go do all that courtroom nonsense for no reason.
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And they're also thinking "is rape really a crime anyway?" and "it wasn't really rape, she was asking for it, going arround dressed like that she was giving him a gilt edged invitation".
 
Susheel said:
If I remember right, I think at least two nations were on the brink of voting in right-wing (extreme right wing in one case), but the exposure of Trump and MAGA may have swung the elections there. Canada and Germany.
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Australia as well, I think. The Canadian polls close to their election, but after Trump's inauguration, showed the Mango Mussolini effect in real time - the graphs were quite spectacular!
 
Segnosaur said:
Here is the problem with that particular argument...

Ok, some Trump supporters "didn't vote for that" (meaning things like gutting medicaid) because they were "ignorant".

But then, that raises 2 questions....

- What DID they vote for trump for? If they voted for him because of one bad policy without understanding another bad policy, then they are still evil. "I didn't want him to gut medicaid, I just wanted him to sentence hatian immigrants to jail for eating dogs" doesn't really make them look sympathetic.

- Even if they did not know about how certain policies might affect them, they MUST have had an idea how his first term went. Not understanding his tariff policies? Ok, if you're ignorant that might be understandable. But things like "Trump tried to overthrown democracy the first time around" should be automatically disqualifying.
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I think it was the Daily Mash that had the headline, "I didn't vote for the economic chaos, I voted for the racism"
 
newyorkguy said:
There have been (and are) nations in Europe that have had right - wing surges. I think maybe we need to start looking at how moderates and progressives have and are dealing with it there. What has worked and what hasn't.
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Capitulating to the far right has never worked. Unfortunately that's the dem leadership's only strategy.
 
Darat said:
The really weird thing for me is that they voted for a rapist - as the judge said he was - I really don't know how people got past that to vote for him. Now perhaps if both candidates were rapists I would have had to hold my nose and vote for one of them but since that wasn't the case that one fact should have excluded him from anyone's consideration.
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Vote for the rapist who boasted about sexual assaults and creepy behaviour around young teens, because he was the one who would protect kids against the fictional Democrat paedophile ring.
 
Susheel said:
If I remember right, I think at least two nations were on the brink of voting in right-wing (extreme right wing in one case), but the exposure of Trump and MAGA may have swung the elections there. Canada and Germany.
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To be fair Merz is an extremist right winger, albeit of the Bismarckan strain. And Carney has pretty much bent the knee to the Canadian far right since being elected.
 
Helen said:
Australia as well, I think. The Canadian polls close to their election, but after Trump's inauguration, showed the Mango Mussolini effect in real time - the graphs were quite spectacular!
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Trump definitely and clearly affected the Australian election. One of our candidates for Prime Minister openly emulated him and wanted to take our country in that direction. The Australian people responded definitively to that idea.
 
johnny karate said:
Wholeheartedly agree. I really do not understand this mindset that says we must find a way to placate these people or it will somehow get worse.

First of all, placating people who hate you and are actively trying to harm you is a losing proposition. It never works.

And secondly, as you pointed out, we've already arrived at worse. This is the endgame. They want our children to die of preventable disease, they want our cities occupied by the military, they want to dispense with the rule of law and make us all subject to their supreme leader. This is all happening right now.

If that's not the worst case scenario, what is?
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It's not the worst-case scenario; some posters have assured me that Trump represents the lesser evil. Of course, I'm still not sure what the evil is that's supposed to have been greater. Homeless trans-immigrants vaccinating our cats, perhaps.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Trump definitely and clearly affected the Australian election. One of our candidates for Prime Minister openly emulated him and wanted to take our country in that direction. The Australian people responded definitively to that idea.
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Hell yeah- by kicking both his party out, and him out of his seat....
Worst electoral defeat for the Libs since WW2 and Mr Potatohead lost his own (safe Liberal) seat to boot...

(Best result EVA!!!!)
 
Dabop said:
Hell yeah- by kicking both his party out, and him out of his seat....
Worst electoral defeat for the Libs since WW2 and Mr Potatohead lost his own (safe Liberal) seat to boot...

(Best result EVA!!!!)
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Unfortunately it didn’t stop my Qld neighbours continuing to repeat his ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ as tho fact.
 
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