Merged Ex CIA Agent: Roswell Really Happened

Ok, so let me get this straight (I mean gayly correct). This ancient CIA guy who wasn't even at the Roswell crash just goes wandering around CIA headquarters because obviously the CIA is cool with that and finds a mysterious box that, after he looks in it, convinces him that stupid aliens crashed their spaceship into earth.

Oh yes, and he's promoting a book he wrote. :rolleyes:
 
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On the other hand, if this story is true it's reason #942 on why "America Is Doomed". The CIA just kinda leaves this stuff around so agents NOT related to the case can read it?

Now when an alien spaceship crashed into my backyard in 1986 did I go around bragging to the neighbors? No. Did I get all Woodward and Bersteiny about it? No. I just kept those little bastards in my basement for 20 years. They only ate bear gallbadders, which explains all those trips I had to make to Chinatown.
 
Roswell is an interesting case from many aspects.

I don't have a view on this really, but I would like to know why Bravel, the finder of the debris, was locked up for a week.

The whole episode sounds like a cover up for something that was secret. This doesn't rule out conventional terrestial secrets of course. Maybe both the "disc" reports, and the weather balloon, were a kind of double bluff by the authorities, as a diversion for the real, but more security sensitive, explanation.
 
One Skunk Todd said:
This part really seems odd to me:

"The 35-year agency veteran was a covert agent involved in international terrorism, counterinsurgency, global narcotics trafficking and weapons smuggling, and spent 10 years as the agency’s first entertainment and publication industries liaison."

I'm struggling to find the words to describe exactly why, it just seems... odd.
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Hits all of the "evil CIA" conspiracy theory talking points and includes a really bizarre reassignment.

mikeyx said:
horse pucket, regardless of WHAT happened at Roswell, SOMETHING did happen there. And why after all these years does the gubment need to refute to the present day? If nothing happened, why care what crack pots think?
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I think I've missed something. Are we the government?
 
The only thing interesting to me about Roswell is that it's become such a durable myth, and a rather lucrative one.
The town of Roswell would likely have dried up and blown away were it not for the tourist trade, which became so busy that the site of the "crash" was moved to a more convenient location as the owner of the land didn't want people tramping all over.

Books by the dozens, TV shows, movies.....It's a gift that keeps on giving.

The Skeptical Inquirer's exhaustive research and the declassification of the "Project Mogul" files should have laid the whole thing to rest....But like any good conspiracy theory facts just become part of the conspiracy....
 
Explorer said:
Roswell is an interesting case from many aspects.

I don't have a view on this really, but I would like to know why Bravel, the finder of the debris, was locked up for a week.

The whole episode sounds like a cover up for something that was secret. This doesn't rule out conventional terrestial secrets of course. Maybe both the "disc" reports, and the weather balloon, were a kind of double bluff by the authorities, as a diversion for the real, but more security sensitive, explanation.
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You mean something like a high-altitude balloon system designed for the tracking and monitoring the Soviet nuclear testing? Nah, couldn't have been.
 
Bikewer said:
The only thing interesting to me about Roswell is that it's become such a durable myth, and a rather lucrative one.
The town of Roswell would likely have dried up and blown away were it not for the tourist trade, which became so busy that the site of the "crash" was moved to a more convenient location as the owner of the land didn't want people tramping all over.

Books by the dozens, TV shows, movies.....It's a gift that keeps on giving.

The Skeptical Inquirer's exhaustive research and the declassification of the "Project Mogul" files should have laid the whole thing to rest....But like any good conspiracy theory facts just become part of the conspiracy....
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The "durable myth" is certainly one interesting aspect of the event.

As for the commercial aspects, was Bravel himself alone, reponsible and motivated soley to encourage the tourist trade? Surely the behaviour of the authorities and the media played an unwitting and defining role in boosting the local economy.

Again, I ask, why was Bravel locked up for a week? Did he volunteer or expect to be martyred in the cause of the local economy in this way? If he did, it took quite a few more years for the things to kick off, it seems.

I am not questioning the validity of the Project Mogul explanation, as you can read and deduce from my first post above, only commenting on the odd behaviour of the people involved, at the time of the report, both civilian and military.
 
Explorer said:
Roswell is an interesting case from many aspects.

I don't have a view on this really, but I would like to know why Bravel, the finder of the debris, was locked up for a week.
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It's Brazel, not Bravel. AFAIK, the only accounts of Brazel being detained were made by people after his death and never by Brazel himself at the time of the incident.
 
Accidental Martyr said:
It's Brazel, not Bravel. AFAIK, the only accounts of Brazel being detained were made by people after his death and never by Brazel himself at the time of the incident.
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Thanks for the name correction, silly error.

So Brazel was not locked up? Why do we have to rely on witness accounts, when many have been shown to be unreliable for both sides of the argument.

Surely there is a written record of the detention somewhere, if it happened. If there isn't, then fair enough, but is there any other corroborative evidence that he wasn't detained apart from witness statements?
 
Your starter for ten points:
International terrorism, counterinsurgency, global narcotics trafficking and weapons smuggling,entertainment and publication industries liaison-

BZZZ

"Is that, 'Departments that would have nothing to do with a crashed alien craft'? Bob?"

Departments that would have nothing to do with crashed alien craft is correct.
 
RoboTimbo said:
ftfy. Now it's a good question.
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Well it cuts both ways, doesn't it? The question has nothing to do directly with a paranormal claim, only a common (i.e. jailing) event. Did it or did it not happen? Corroborative evidence either way would be necessary to draw a firm conclusion. If a similar matter came up in a court of law, it should be relatively easy to prove from adminstrative records, one way or another.
 
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Another interesting thing from the standpoint of the technology-challenged is the supposed "retro-engineering that resulted (we are told) in many inventions and technology advancements.
Yet anyone familiar with the technologies most commonly referred to knows that progress in these fields was ongoing and pretty linear... No big jumps, no outlandish inventions, nothing of the sort.
Bell Labs was more responsible for modern technology than any putative alien engineering.
 
Bikewer said:
Another interesting thing from the standpoint of the technology-challenged is the supposed "retro-engineering that resulted (we are told) in many inventions and technology advancements.
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Do you have a link for that?
 
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