Evidence that substantiates ANYTHING that happened in the Bible.

[Wolrab]

Wow didn't realize this thread had been resurrected. I went back and skimmed through some of the posts from the point which is was resurrected, and I didn't find any factual information that substantiates any of the miracles or otherwise miraculous events that occur in the Bible. Did I perhaps miss something? If so, could someone please quote or present the evidence? I would love to read it.

It all boils down to using the bible to prove the bible.

 

[Quad4_72]

It all boils down to using the bible to prove the bible.

I see. That's what I thought. Kinda like saying "Well they found an empty tomb, so that means he was resurrected!" and then going on to quote the Bible.

 

[Mudcat]

So says Dan Brown.

No, so says the Jews.

 

[Mudcat]

Back then in that area woman were second class citizens who couldn't even testify in court. They didn't even count women as part of crowds.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in Roman times wouldn't this claim be provably wrong?

 

[DOC]

The found ossuary of the high priest, Caiaphus, who organized the plot to kill Jesus is some hard evidence for the truth of the bible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4434789...ht-point-biblical-home-caiaphas/#.UOKDdXctG_I

A high priest would be well known in the area and amongst his surviving relatives and young followers for a long time. It would seriously hurt the credibility of the bible to give him such a vital role if it wasn't true.

 

[Akhenaten]

The found ossuary of the high priest, Caiaphus, who organized the plot to kill Jesus is some hard evidence for the truth of the bible.

No, it's (possibly) evidence for the existence of someone named Caiaphas.

It's evidence for the rest of your fairytale in the same way that the existence of King's Cross Station is evidence for the Hogwarts Express.

A high priest would be well known in the area and amongst his surviving relatives and young followers for a long time.

A major London railway station would be well known for even longer, especially one that still exists in this, the information age.

Still no stories about that magical train though.

It would seriously hurt the credibility of the bible to give him such a vital role if it wasn't true.

Including the names of real people who may have been alive at the time that the alleged events in the story took place actually tends to enhance its credibility.

What's damaging to its credibility is including nonsense like a zombie apocalypse, earthquakes that nobody noticed, an eclipse that couldn't possibly have occurred, angels, a resurrected rabbi that can be in multiple places at the same time, etcetera.

 

[Akhenaten]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in Roman times wouldn't this claim be provably wrong?

No correction needed. Your observation is the reason that DOC, when pressed to back up his assertion, provided a reference to Hebrew customs in the Old Testament.

 

[DOC]

It all boils down to using the bible to prove the bible.

I've mentioned the fact that there were 9 non-biblical writers who make reference to occurrences in the NT, including Christ. Also I mentioned archaeological evidence, and logical evidence.

And the 9 separate writers who wrote the New Testament (one who has been called a 1st rate historian by Sir William M. Ramsay) never heard of a thing called the Bible, it didn't exist at the time of they wrote their works.

 

[DOC]

No correction needed. Your observation is the reason that DOC, when pressed to back up his assertion, provided a reference to Hebrew customs in the Old Testament.

So I assume you believe 1400 year old Jewish customs regarding woman immediately stopped once the Romans gained control?

 

[Akhenaten]

It all boils down to using the bible to prove the bible.

I've mentioned the fact that there were 9 non-biblical writers who make reference to occurrences in the NT, including Christ.

No, you didn't. The claim you actually made was this:

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

So, notwithstanding your backpedalling on the issue, rather than just mentioning these sources, how about posting them as you've been asked to do?

Also I mentioned archaeological evidence, and logical evidence.

You mention all manner of nonsense. How about posting the archæological evidence, at least?

I won't ask you to post the logical evidence since I'm more than fully aware that you lack the means to identify such a thing even if it did exist.

And the 9 separate writers who wrote the New Testament (one who has been called a 1st rate historian by Sir William M. Ramsay) never heard of a thing called the Bible, it didn't exist at the time of they wrote their works.

And there it is!

The first non sequitur of the new year.

Only 4,782 to go and you'll beat last year's record.

It's not the writers who are guilty, as Wolrab says, of "using the bible to prove the bible".

It's you.

 

[Akhenaten]

No correction needed. Your observation is the reason that DOC, when pressed to back up his assertion, provided a reference to Hebrew customs in the Old Testament.

So I assume you believe 1400 year old Jewish customs regarding woman immediately stopped once the Romans gained control?

To what should be the disgrace of many, they haven't stopped to this day, however, the claim I was specifically addressing was the one you made that women weren't allowed to testify in court, and this isn't a matter of custom, but of law.

And at that time and in that place, Roman Law was trumps, not Hebrew scripture.

As I've already asked you once, who conducted the alleged trial of the alleged Jesus in your fairytale, the Roman Procurator or the Sanhedrin?

What you've been asked to provide, DOC, is evidence for your claims and an explanation of their significance. As usual, all we've received is more of your world-famous argumentum ad so codswallop.

Quelle surprise.

 

[Akhenaten]

I've mentioned the fact that there were 9 non-biblical writers who make reference to occurrences in the NT, including Christ.

So I assume you believe this Christ fellow is a non-biblical writer?

 

[OCaptain]

I see. That's what I thought. Kinda like saying "Well they found an empty tomb, so that means he was resurrected!" and then going on to quote the Bible.

Did you really expect to find scientifically unassailable documentation for miracles in the Bible?

If so, you haven't been following these threads for very long.

If not, you didn't create this thread in a spirit of intellectual honesty.

 

[pakeha]

I've mentioned the fact that there were 9 non-biblical writers who make reference to occurrences in the NT, including Christ. Also I mentioned archaeological evidence, and logical evidence.

And the 9 separate writers who wrote the New Testament (one who has been called a 1st rate historian by Sir William M. Ramsay) never heard of a thing called the Bible, it didn't exist at the time of they wrote their works.

There's nothing like a reference to Rhoda-the-slave-girl Ramsey to pave the way to thinking about New Year's Day lunch plans.

And I rather thought I saw a reference to our old friends, the 9 non-biblical writers!
I'm looking forward to seeing how DOC manages to show they're relevant to the thread's discussion.

 

[Lowpro]

Guys guys you won't believe this but it turns out the Mississippi river exists! Huckleberry Finn did indeed do everything that book says he did!

 

[Akhenaten]

Including the stuff with Ratty, Mole and Badger?

Or were they later additions?

 

[Resume]

Guys guys you won't believe this but it turns out the Mississippi river exists! Huckleberry Finn did indeed do everything that book says he did!

As Huck's creator said:

The world has corrected the Bible. The church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession- and take the credit of the correction.

 

[Quad4_72]

Did you really expect to find scientifically unassailable documentation for miracles in the Bible?

If so, you haven't been following these threads for very long.

If not, you didn't create this thread in a spirit of intellectual honesty.

So, asking for evidence of events that occurred in the Bible is not in the spirit of intellectual honesty? You are in the wrongggg place. Perhaps this place would be better for you:
http://www.christianforums.net/

I don't think anyone asks them for evidence of their beliefs, they just blindly believe anything and everything in the Bible. Go give it a try. BTW, this is what I requested in the OP:

I believe I have made a thread similar to this one for the existence of Jesus, but is there any evidence outside of the Bible that substantiates any events that supposedly occurred in the Bible? Whether they were outlandish events or small ones, what kind of outside sources are there to back up the Bible's validity in any way as a factual source?

Where in the OP did I ever state anything about miracles? I specifically said events.

 

[TimCallahan]

One more (double) question, DOC: Do you accept that the the three Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) shared common material, originally written in one gospel, then copied by the other two, or do you assert that all three were written independently. If you do assert they were written independently, what do you see as the motive of those who argue that one gospel was the main source for the other two?

DOC: Since you have posted since I asked this double question, perhaps you could answer it.

 

[Hellbound]

There are some of the writings of Paul that admonish this very point (that he's speaking for himself, not God). Is this a new idea to you?

No, it's not. But it apparently is to some who attempt to claim the Bible is historically accurate. If parts of it are inaccurate, then none of it can be taken as accurate without confirmation of some sort.

It might be best if you follow the thread and understand what arguments have been made, so you can understand the rebuttals to them. You've made similar mistakes with the arguments others are making.