Evidence that substantiates ANYTHING that happened in the Bible.

[TimCallahan]

Well, I haven't been following, been on another extended absence, but I would say that these contradictions are also irrelevant to the thread, unless someone is claiming that there is evidence for them.

The existence of falsehoods in the Biblical literature really has no bearing on whether or not there is evidence for "anything" in the Bible, which there certainly is -- for example, the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians.

Granted. The books of 1 & 2 Kings are fairly straight forward and the kings depicted in them are historical. However, about the only thing right about Sennacherib's siege in the Bible is that, for whatever reason, he didn't take Jerusalem, but settled for laying a crippling tribute on Hezekiah after destroying most of the cities of Judah. A biblical tale that, in a single night, the angel of the LORD (i.e. YHWH) slew to the last man an Assyrian army of 185,000 simply isn't true.

 

[Resume]

Well, I haven't been following, been on another extended absence, but I would say that these contradictions are also irrelevant to the thread, unless someone is claiming that there is evidence for them.

The existence of falsehoods in the Biblical literature really has no bearing on whether or not there is evidence for "anything" in the Bible, which there certainly is -- for example, the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians.

Certainly there are accounts in the bible that are "accurate" in an wiggly mas o menos sort of way but these lend no credence to the veracity of a specific Jeshua Ben Josef nor the alleged supernatural events surrounding his life that are claimed there.

 

[Baffled]

Now if one gospel said Jesus was crucified and one said he was thrown off a cliff that would be a contradiction that could not be explained.

Rubbish. Someone would just say he was crucified and then thrown off a cliff, and you'd be happy to suggest that that was somehow "evidence".

That is a possibility but I meant if he was thrown off alive and executed that way.

That's the whole point. No matter how many new parts are added to complicate the scenario, somewhere there will be an apologist scrambling to make them all work together without contradiction. It makes the story more and more unbelievable, which only works in the favour of those who already believe, because they will declare it a miracle and thus proof that it is true.

So, he was nailed to a cross, then thrown off a cliff, which on that particular day was the method used to crucify someone. He landed at the bottom, the cross jammed itself into the ground, and some thieves were crucified beside him. It's really scary being thrown off a cliff, so he yelled out, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" But after he landed, he calmed down a bit and said to one of the other guys being crucified, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise," because, compared to being thrown off a cliff, just hanging there was a lot nicer.

 

[Akhenaten]

So, he was nailed to a cross, then thrown off a cliff, which on that particular day was the method used to crucify someone. He landed at the bottom, the cross jammed itself into the ground, and some thieves were crucified beside him. It's really scary being thrown off a cliff, so he yelled out, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" But after he landed, he calmed down a bit and said to one of the other guys being crucified, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise," because, compared to being thrown off a cliff, just hanging there was a lot nicer.

A new gospel has been discovered!

I dub thee "Sir Baffled".

 

[Baffled]

It's a Gospel. Shouldn't I be a saint rather than a knight?

I can even perform the Miracle of the Three Juggled Balls: the Baseball, the Soccerball, and the Holey Golf Ball.

 

[Baffled]

Ooh. Sig time!

 

[Slowvehicle]

It's a Gospel. Shouldn't I be a saint rather than a knight?

I can even perform the Miracle of the Three Juggled Balls: the Baseball, the Soccerball, and the Holey Golf Ball.

Sorry, Baff. Just writin' a gospel isn't enough for sainthood. You need two miracles; you need to produce some relics; and, oh, yeah--you gots to be deceased. Maybe one day...

 

[tsig]

Sorry, Baff. Just writin' a gospel isn't enough for sainthood. You need two miracles; you need to produce some relics; and, oh, yeah--you gots to be deceased. Maybe one day...

Some day he'll be a relic, "We have St. Baff's leg-bone here, it cures those who limp".

 

[Baffled]

My legbone? If anything, it would limp those who are cured.

 

[Piggy]

Granted. The books of 1 & 2 Kings are fairly straight forward and the kings depicted in them are historical. However, about the only thing right about Sennacherib's siege in the Bible is that, for whatever reason, he didn't take Jerusalem, but settled for laying a crippling tribute on Hezekiah after destroying most of the cities of Judah. A biblical tale that, in a single night, the angel of the LORD (i.e. YHWH) slew to the last man an Assyrian army of 185,000 simply isn't true.

Well, yes, precisely. There are aspects which are supported, and aspects which are contradicted. Typical of the theo-political rhetoric of the times, although more expansive.

 

[Piggy]

Certainly there are accounts in the bible that are "accurate" in an wiggly mas o menos sort of way but these lend no credence to the veracity of a specific Jeshua Ben Josef nor the alleged supernatural events surrounding his life that are claimed there.

There's nothing "wiggly" about it, as long as the texts are put in their historical (archaeological, linguistic, etc.) context.

In fact, the dividing lines between fact and falsehood within the documents are arguably the most interesting and important features.

 

[pakeha]

... Missler claims that the "correct" addition to "Mark's" gospel (out of many) can be demonstrated by the application of his "heptadic" scripture structure, revealed by counting the number of words in the text, the number of letters in the words, and the ratio of consonants to vowels; all of which demonstrate a "purposely hidden signature" supported by numerological "authentication codes" in the text.

In my opinion, this is a fairly lax standard for the adjective "logical".

Dunno.
After having claimed 'slave girl Paula' Ramsey as a guarantee of Luke's status as an historian, I think 'Jiffy' Missler is perfectly in line with DOC's cast of authorities.

ETA:
Not Paula, Rhoda! I'll be forgetting my own name next!

 

[DOC]

What you actually said was, "Name an alleged contradiction in the NT and I'll find a website that will give a logical explanation of it."

Ok, someone gave alleged contradictions after the crucifixion and here is a logical explanation:

http://www.josh.org/resources/answe...ain-contradictions-in-the-resurrection-story/

Can you image all the contradictions there would have been from twenty New York
911 wtnesses (some in tower 1, some in tower 2, and some from outside) if the attacks were not filmed. Would all those contradiction had meant 911 never happened.

That said, I have still not seen an alleged contradiction in the Gospels that can't be explained.

 

[Akhenaten]

<drivel>

That said, I have still not seen an alleged contradiction in the Gospels that can't be explained.

 

[Mojo]

My legbone? If anything, it would limp those who are cured.

It's homoeopathic?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Ok, someone gave alleged contradictions after the crucifixion and here is a logical explanation:

http://www.josh.org/resources/answe...ain-contradictions-in-the-resurrection-story/

Can you image all the contradictions there would have been from twenty New York
911 wtnesses (some in tower 1, some in tower 2, and some from outside) if the attacks were not filmed. Would all those contradiction had meant 911 never happened.

That said, I have still not seen an alleged contradiction in the Gospels that can't be explained.

Actually, you bragged you could provide a LOGICAL explanation...for which I am still waiting, in re the Missing Part of Mark...

But it is nice to know that future scholars will see my typos as proof of a divinely-inspired secret code...

(BTW, and OT: what kind of monster sends "souls" it created to eternal torture for failing to crack a "secret" code?)

 

[zooterkin]

Can you image all the contradictions there would have been from twenty New York 911 wtnesses (some in tower 1, some in tower 2, and some from outside) if the attacks were not filmed. Would all those contradiction had meant 911 never happened.

911 never happened? You mean the emergency telephone number for the US was never implemented?

And, please, learn to use the point of interrogation, as well as the rest of the English language.

 

[tsig]

Ok, someone gave alleged contradictions after the crucifixion and here is a logical explanation:

http://www.josh.org/resources/answe...ain-contradictions-in-the-resurrection-story/

Can you image all the contradictions there would have been from twenty New York
911 wtnesses (some in tower 1, some in tower 2, and some from outside) if the attacks were not filmed. Would all those contradiction had meant 911 never happened.

That said, I have still not seen an alleged contradiction in the Gospels that can't be explained.

He explains contradictions by adding to the text:

One of the seeming contradictions that bothers people concerns the time the women came to the tomb, related differently by John and Mark. Mark’s account has the women coming to the tomb at the rising of the sun, while John states that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb when it was dark.

This difficulty is solved when it is realized that the women had to walk quite some distance to reach the grave, since they stayed in Jerusalem or Bethany. It was dark when they left the place in which they were staying, but when they arrived at the tomb the sun was beginning to shine. Therefore, Mark is speaking of their arrival, while John refers to their departure.

 

[dafydd]

That said, I have still not seen an alleged contradiction in the Gospels that can't be explained.

You have got something right at last. The explanation is that the gospels are primitive fairy stories.

 

[tsig]

My legbone? If anything, it would limp those who are cured.

That would still be a miracle.

Limpers for Christ?

Church of the Magically Maimed?