Evidence that substantiates ANYTHING that happened in the Bible.

[dafydd]

However, as a first century Jew, e would certainly have been bearded.

And married.

 

[Akhenaten]

In other words, you need to tell us who these nine sources are, so we can judge whether they were contemporaries with Jesus, near contemporaries or later writers.

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I've snipped out the bits of your post that have nothing to do with the question you're pretending to answer.

 

[Akhenaten]

Tim, as you have done at least two other times, you state as fact an opinion you have.

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Would that be in the thread that you've abandoned for the sake of spamming this one with the previously-debunked rubbish that has ended up causing so much embarrassment for whatever cause it is that you think you're championing?

Links please.

 

[Baffled]

Now if one gospel said Jesus was crucified and one said he was thrown off a cliff that would be a contradiction that could not be explained.

Rubbish. Someone would just say he was crucified and then thrown off a cliff, and you'd be happy to suggest that that was somehow "evidence".

 

[DOC]

You ever going to get around to answering post #240?

Actually I did answer the part of it that dealt with Mark. I will get to the rest as time permits. So far I have seen no contradictory accounts, I've seen different accounts though. There is a difference. Actually different accounts that are not contradictory give us a more complete picture of what happened.

 

[DOC]

Rubbish. Someone would just say he was crucified and then thrown off a cliff..

That is a possibility but I meant if he was thrown off alive and executed that way.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Actually I did answer the part of it that dealt with Mark. I will get to the rest as time permits. So far I have seen no contradictory accounts, I've seen different accounts though. There is a difference. Actually different accounts that are not contradictory give us a more complete picture of what happened.

What you actually said was, "Name an alleged contradiction in the NT and I'll find a website that will give a logical explanation of it."

What you offered for the issue of "Mark's" gospel ending in a unique way was, a website by Chuck Missler: evanagelical minister, self-taught bible teacher, "expert" on biblical prophecy, plagiarist; Chuck Missler who claims that the fact that giant blobs of peanut butter have not evolved out of jars and destroyed supermarkets 'proves' that evolution is a 'fairy tale'; Chuck Missler who wrote Hidden Treasures: In The Bible Text ("...hidden messages, encryptions, deliberate misspellings and other amendments to the text -- that present implications beyond the immediate context, demonstrating a skillful design that has its origin from outside our space and time..."). Missler claims that the "correct" addition to "Mark's" gospel (out of many) can be demonstrated by the application of his "heptadic" scripture structure, revealed by counting the number of words in the text, the number of letters in the words, and the ratio of consonants to vowels; all of which demonstrate a "purposely hidden signature" supported by numerological "authentication codes" in the text.

In my opinion, this is a fairly lax standard for the adjective "logical".

 

[Akhenaten]

You ever going to get around to answering post #240?

Actually I did answer the part of it that dealt with Mark.

Oh, codswallop. All you've done is present yet another link to more of . . .

. . . the same logic-challenged evasions, muddle-headed obfuscations and outright lies that you've been posting here for years.

I will get to the rest as time permits.

You've already had years in which to do so.

It's not time that's against you, DOC, it's a complete dearth of evidence.

So far I have seen no contradictory accounts, I've seen different accounts though.

Different accounts of the exact same alleged events that describe those events in such vastly different ways as occurs in the synoptic gospels is the definition of 'contradictory accounts'.

That you are unable to see this has nothing to do with the facts of the matter.

There is a difference. Actually different accounts that are not contradictory give us a more complete picture of what happened.

Yes, they do.

They tell us that the whole disparate mess is nothing more than fanfic written by Isis knows how many different authors, and nothing whatsoever to do with actual events.

 

[Akhenaten]

Rubbish. Someone would just say he was crucified and then thrown off a cliff..

That is a possibility but I meant if he was thrown off alive and executed that way.

Of course that's what you meant.

How dare people assume that it's but one more ad hoc explanation just because you've done such things about twenty billion times in the past?

 

[tsig]

That is a possibility but I meant if he was thrown off alive and executed that way.

You'd think the fall would kill him.

 

[DOC]

Would that be in the thread that you've abandoned...

I guess I figured if my 2000+ posts in that 500 page thread didn't convince you it was time to give it a rest for awhile. Then the thread fell off the first page of the forum.

 

[dafydd]

I guess I figured if my 2000+ posts in that 500 page thread didn't convince you it was time to give it a rest for awhile. Then the thread fell off the first page of the forum.

You still don't know the difference between quality and quantity.

 

[Akhenaten]

I guess I figured if my 2000+ posts in that 500 page thread didn't convince you it was time to give it a rest for awhile.

Regardless of the number of posts you've made, you haven't yet managed to convince anyone of anything, and you aren't giving it a rest at all - you're just posting exactly the same, previously debunked drivel in this thread.

Then the thread fell off the first page.

Only because I allowed it to. Now that it's back I'll look forward to you returning to answer the many, many questions you've left unanswered for so long.

 

[Wolrab]

Jesus wasn't tossed off a cliff or crucified. Judas threw him under the bus.

 

[Akhenaten]

Jesus wasn't tossed off a cliff or crucified. Judas threw him under the bus.

This bus?

 

[Wolrab]

Yes.

 

[TimCallahan]

. . . (major snip) . . . But there are other explanations, for example in the article:

The Last 12 Verses of Mark
by Chuck Missler

"However, it seems that Irenaeus in 150 A.D., and also Hypolytus in the 2nd century, each quote from these disputed verses, so the documentary evidence is that they were deleted later in the Alexandrian texts, not added subsequently.)

But there is even more astonishing evidence for their original inclusion that is also profoundly instructive for broader reasons..."

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2000/201/

You must be desperate if you're citing Chuck Missler, sometimes writing partner with Hal Lindsey, who originally predicted the Tribulation would start in 1988 (40 years after the founding of Israel). Lindsey later changed that date as 1988 loomed too close for comfort, saying that Israel wasn't completely founded until the Israelis took Jerusalem in the Six Day War in 1967. Thus, 1967 + 40 = 2007. He further back-pedaled to say that, rather than being 40 years, a generation might be 100 years! This gave him two more fall-back positions: 1948 + 100 = 2048, and 1967 + 100 = 2067.

I cite lindsey's nonsense and dishonesty only as a prelude to Missler's bizarre theories. In his book The Return of the Nephilim he asserts that UFO sightings and alien abductions are genuine, but that, instead of being extraterrestrials, the saucer people are inter-dimensional demons and demon / human hybrids intent on creating more human - demon hybrids ad deluding people to be enmeshed in New Age religions (i.e. Satanism, according to Missler) as part of Satan's war on God and his people. In other words, Missler is far from a sound source.

 

[tsig]

I guess I figured if my 2000+ posts in that 500 page thread didn't convince you it was time to give it a rest for awhile. Then the thread fell off the first page of the forum.

1 post and 1999+ repeats.

 

[tsig]

This bus?

The magic bus:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=furtherer+bus

 

[Piggy]

Actually, this thread is about the veracity of the Bible, irrespective of whether there is or isn't a God or gods. Perhaps you can answer the specific objections I have below, with respect to contradictions between the various gospels:

The contradictions I've pointed out to you are gross contradictions that cannot be harmonized, For example, either the women who met the angel at the tomb were so terrified that they ran away and told nobody of their encounter (Mark) or they told the disciples (Matthew). Either Jesus expressly gave the message he would meet the disciples in Galilee, and did so (Matthew) or he expressly told them not to leave Jerusalem (Luke). Either the risen Christ appeared to nobody (Mark), first appeared to women (Matthew and John) or did not appear to any of the women (Luke, 1 Corinthians).

Well, I haven't been following, been on another extended absence, but I would say that these contradictions are also irrelevant to the thread, unless someone is claiming that there is evidence for them.

The existence of falsehoods in the Biblical literature really has no bearing on whether or not there is evidence for "anything" in the Bible, which there certainly is -- for example, the siege of Jerusalem by the Assyrians.