Evidence that substantiates ANYTHING that happened in the Bible.

[DOC]

You keep confusing the mythical Jesus with people who actually existed.

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

 

[Resume]

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

Of these, how many were a contemporary source? Not including the biblical ones of course.

If you keep hitching your intellectual wagon to the likes of Geisler, Turek and Strobel (with a nod to Ehrman when convenient) you will continue to have it upended in as many threads as you care to open.

 

[Slowvehicle]

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

When do you intend to address the disharmony of the gospels TimCallahan raised in post #240?

 

[DOC]

...That old dumb story about {gospel writer} luke being an historien.

You've got to admit the guy has a thing for detail. Scroll down this link a little ways until you get to a list of the 84 facts of Gospel writer Luke. For that matter so did gospel writer John, scroll down further until you get to the 59 facts of John.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/s...LE-I-Don-t-Have-Enough-Faith-to-Be-an-Atheist

 

[Resume]

You've got to admit the guy has a thing for detail. Scroll down this link until you get to the 84 facts of Gospel writer Luke. For that matter so did gospel writer John, scroll down further until you get to the 59 facts of John.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/s...LE-I-Don-t-Have-Enough-Faith-to-Be-an-Atheist

Lot's of historical details in lots of fiction. You understand that, right?

 

[Akhenaten]

You keep confusing the mythical Jesus with people who actually existed.

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

It seems likely that dafydd has read the other threads in which your pathetic attempts to demonstrate the historical accuracy of these alleged sources have been completely shredded every single one of the scores of times you've made them.

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

Likewise, anyone who has read the utter demolition of the fifth rate apologetics in that book (which you yourself haven't even read) which took place in TTTWND would have no hesitation in disagreeing with Ehrman.

 

[DOC]

When do you intend to address the disharmony of the gospels TimCallahan raised in post #240?

You should be able to find logical explanations for any alleged contradictions in the gospels on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll look when I get the time. There are as you probably noticed other posts directed toward me.

 

[Akhenaten]

...That old dumb story about luke being an historien.

You've got to admit the guy has a thing for detail.

So did J.R.R.Tolkien.

Scroll down this link until you get to the 84 facts of Gospel writer Luke. For that matter so did gospel writer John, scroll down further until you get to the 59 facts of John.

There are no facts to be found at that URL.

 

[Resume]

You should be able to find logical explanations for any alleged contradictions in the gospels on the web.

Bible apologia isn't necessarily logical. The whole inevitable faith dealeo ****s that up.

 

[Slowvehicle]

You should be able to find logical explanations for any alleged contradictions in the gospels on the web. If you can't, let me know and I'll look when I get the time. There are as you probably noticed other posts directed toward me.

I am not the one who said:

"Some skeptics complain the synoptic gospels they are too similar and some skeptics like Tim Callahan complain they are too different. As I have said before I have never seen any alleged contradictions in the Gospels that can't be logically explained. Name an alleged contradiction in the NT and I'll find a website that will give a logical explanation of it. Now if one gospel said Jesus was crucified and one said he was thrown off a cliff that would be a contradiction that could not be explained." (quoting you)

I have a logical explanation for the differences among the gospels--even about such pivotal things as the birth of, or the death of, the supposed messiah. You said you could provide a "logical explanation" for "alleged contradictions in the NT". I am curious to see the hand-waving, special pleading, interpolations, redactions, and secondary/tertiary sources you would present as a "logical explanation".

 

[Akhenaten]

You should be able to find logical explanations for any alleged contradictions in the gospels on the web.

I've already searched the entire web and all I found were the same logic-challenged evasions, muddle-headed obfuscations and outright lies that you've been posting here for years.

If you can't, let me know and I'll look when I get the time.

But it's Wednesday! Answers day!

Stick to the scenario, DOC.

There are as you probably noticed other posts directed toward me.

The most noticeable thing is that you aren't answering any of them.

 

[dafydd]

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

I am prepared to believe that there was an itinerant preacher called Jesus. There was no divine superman called Jesus who came back to life. No evidence at all for that theory. Is that simple enough?

 

[Janadele]

Why is it that so many non believers occupy their time trying to prove there is no God? Why bother?

True believers know, they have the knowledge within, and do not need to prove anything.

Matthew Chapter 16 :
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that Thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The Lord has said “My sheep know my voice” ....
Mosiah 6:10–13.
John 10:1–15.
John 21:15–17.
Isaiah 40:10–11.
The true sheep know His voice. The true Shepherd knows and owns His sheep and He calls them.

http://www.lds.org/manual/the-life-a...sheep+know+"

 

[dafydd]

Why is it that so many non believers occupy their time trying to prove there is no God? Why bother?

I don't occupy my time trying to prove that there are no gods, I just point out to believers who turn up here the irrationality of their belief.

 

[Resume]

The Lord has said “My sheep know my voice” ....

The true sheep know His voice. The true Shepherd knows and owns His sheep and He calls them.

I did not know that to be sheepish was one of humankind's more ennobling virtues.

 

[Akhenaten]

Why is it that so many non believers occupy their time trying to prove there is no God? Why bother?

Asking for evidence of the historical accuracy of a book that millions of people claim contains the word of the all-powerful creator of the Universe is not "trying to prove there is no God".

It's a search for truth, and the inability of believers to furnish the aforementioned evidence tells us that we're probably closer to finding it than they are.

True believers know, they have the knowledge within, and do not need to prove anything.

No, True Believers™ have belief.

Knowledge is a whole 'nother thing.

<preaching>

The true sheep know His voice. The true Shepherd knows and owns His sheep and He calls them.

Indeed.

 

[TimCallahan]

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

Concerning the hilited area: Now that you've made this assertion, back it up with specific facts, citations or links. In other words, you need to tell us who these nine sources are, so we can judge whether they were contemporaries with Jesus, near contemporaries or later writers.

As to Bart Ehrman and the historicity of Jesus, it's one thing to say that Jesus existed, quite another to say he walked on water, cast out demons, cured leper etc. or rose from the dead.

 

[TimCallahan]

So I assume you believe Jesus is a myth even though we have 31 Christian and 9 non-Christian historical written sources for his life (total of 40) compared to 9 non-Christian and 1 Christian source (total of 10) for the life of Tiberius Caesar (the emperor during the life of Jesus).

And also, I assume you disagree with skeptic Bart Ehrman who said Jesus "certainly existed" in his latest book.

Concerning the hilited area: Now that you've made this assertion, back it up with specific facts, citations or links. In other words, you need to tell us who these nine sources are, so we can judge whether they were contemporaries with Jesus, near contemporaries or later writers.

As to Bart Ehrman and the historicity of Jesus, it's one thing to say that Jesus existed, quite another to say he walked on water, cast out demons, cured leper etc. or rose from the dead.

 

[Rincewind]

Of these, how many were a contemporary source? Not including the biblical ones of course.

If you keep hitching your intellectual wagon to the likes of Geisler, Turek and Strobel (with a nod to Ehrman when convenient) you will continue to have it upended in as many threads as you care to open.

Most of the sources are probably DOC's JREF threads....

And most of them have been around long enough to be considered contemporary...

 

[Rincewind]

And to think that theologians have the brass neck to call them the ''synoptic'' gospels.

Ah - Synoptic...

Now has a new meaning - "Mostly dissimilar"?