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Europe is not a nation!

Darat

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It’s a pet peeve of mine but will people please stop using the term “Europe” as if means a nation or state?

There is no country, nation or state called “Europe”!

Indeed it’s almost a conceit to call (the geographical area most people refer to as Europe) it a continent, since it is merely the 20% or so most “westerly” part of the Eurasian land mass.

If you say “Europeans do this…” or “Europe did this…” you are referring to a collection of about 46 totally separate and distinct countries and all the people that live there. There is not much that they all have in common, in fact the only thing I do know for certain they all have in common is that they are populated by humans. (I mean most of the people of “Europe” don’t even speak the same language as the people in their neighbouring countries!)

Now there are some distinct political and social groups within those 46 countries that you can lump together, such as the 25 that make up a treaty bound collection that goes under the name of the “European Union”. (Which is quite an arrogant misnomer and I have told my EU MEP that it shouldn’t be called THE European Union but rather A European Union.)

Please, please do me a favour in future be a bit more careful about bandying around the term “Europe” and “European” and, unless you are meaning to refer to each and everyone of those 46 countries, avoid saying “Europe did this…..”

Thanks

-Darat –
A Geordie Englishman, a British person, a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, a citizen of the European Union and an inhabitant of the continent of Europe, a part of the Eurasian land mass.
 
CFLarsen said:
Not quite. The US is a nation. Europe is not.

Please, please do me a favor in future be a bit more careful about bandying around the term “America” and “American” and, unless you are meaning to refer to each and everyone of those 35 countries, avoid saying “America did this…..”
 
Bjorn said:
America. Americans. :p

I do try to avoid that term unless I mean the two continents or the three recognised groupings of North, Central and South Americas. Even though I would say in common English usage it is accepted to mean "the USA". I also see a lot of USA citizens using it to describe themselves and I never think that they are meaning to include the other about 24 or so countries in their statement of nationality.
 
Darat said:
I do try to avoid that term unless I mean the two continents or the three recognised groupings of North, Central and South Americas. Even though I would say in common English usage it is accepted to mean "the USA". I also see a lot of USA citizens using it to describe themselves and I never think that they are meaning to include the other about 24 or so countries in their statement of nationality.

I would imagine that as those nations integrate further, it's just something you're going to have to get used to.

Eventually, Europe will mean just what you don't want it to mean in exactly the (technically incorrect) manner that America generally means The United States of America.

If this is actually a pet peeve, you're going to get peeved a lot. Your post here notwithstanding.

By the way, sorry about changing 'favour' to 'favor' in my paraphrasing of your paragraph for CFLarson's benefit. I just can't bring myself to leave it alone ;)


MattJ
 
aerocontrols said:
Please, please do me a favor in future be a bit more careful about bandying around the term “America” and “American” and, unless you are meaning to refer to each and everyone of those 35 countries, avoid saying “America did this…..”

I know it must really annoy you....

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...=1870740293&highlight=american#post1870740293

The majority of the american people believe the US put Saddam into power.
...snip...

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...=1870744218&highlight=american#post1870744218
...snip...
My crazy uncle Joe is a great american. Instead of driving on the right side of the road, he drives on the left.

...snip...

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...=1870713476&highlight=american#post1870713476

...snip...
I expect that if an anti-American government takes over in Iraq, the opposition will be pro-American. If pro-American groups manage to hang onto power in Iraq, the opposition will be anti-American.
...snip...

:pI'm only having a bit of fun with you, this is nothing to do with anyone coming from any particular country or not and using the term. I find it annoying whether the person is a European, American, Asian or Australasian.

(Oh and I’m sure I’ve used it incorrectly somewhere on these boards as well. :D )
 
aerocontrols,

Since you are using the term "americans" to describe citizens of the USA, perhaps you could tell us Europeans how we should refer to the same population group?

Obviously, there are two sets of rules in effect here.... :)
 
A member of another forum used to use the term "UnitedStatians". He was a UnitedStatian himself. It looked awkward to me at the time, but now I think that because of previous experiences he was just trying to be politically correct :D
 
aerocontrols said:
I would imagine that as those nations integrate further, it's just something you're going to have to get used to.

Eventually, Europe will mean just what you don't want it to mean in exactly the (technically incorrect) manner that America generally means The United States of America.
...snip...


Then it won't peeve me because it would be a term with some validity and presumably accuracy. The reason it peeves me at the moment is that it is normally used as a very sloppy generalisation. Whether this is out of ignorance of the diversity and non-union of the countries of Europe or a lack of understanding I don't know.

And it isn’t just on forums like this that it's used in this ill defined and sloppy manner, I day in day out I hear and read politicians, media commentators and so on bandying the term "Europe" when quite often what they mean is a small sub-set of European countries.
 
So when I say "Europeans smell bad", I have to say it 46 times, once for each country? No thanks, it's easier to use the term Europeans.

:p
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
So when I say "Europeans smell bad", I have to say it 46 times, once for each country? No thanks, it's easier to use the term Europeans.

:p

Well if your were meaning to say that the French, English and Germans all smell then it would peeve me but if you want to make a statement about each and everyone of the entire 718,500,000 (plus) people who live on the "continent" of Europe then it's a perfectly fine use and it doesn’t peeve me.
 
Darat said:
Then it won't peeve me because it would be a term with some validity and presumably accuracy. The reason it peeves me at the moment is that it is normally used as a very sloppy generalisation. Whether this is out of ignorance of the diversity and non-union of the countries of Europe or a lack of understanding I don't know.

And it isn’t just on forums like this that it's used in this ill defined and sloppy manner, I day in day out I hear and read politicians, media commentators and so on bandying the term "Europe" when quite often what they mean is a small sub-set of European countries.

So when you refer to the US and use the term 'Americans', are you addressing the millions of African Americans, or the even larger number of Hispanics (some of whom are black), or the Native Americans, or Asians, or the women, or the millions of Muslims, or the Hindus and Buddhists, or the poor, the intellectuals, the artists and musicians....

Or are you just smearing the rest of us through identification with a small sub-set, such as wealthy and powerful White Anglo Saxon Protestant male powerbrokers?
 
Eleatic Stranger said:
What?

Next you'll claiming that Africa isn't a country, or that there's no Sovereign Principality of Terror!

And thanks for mentioning another pet peeve of mine: there is no country, nation or state called “Africa”...

Must go and take my dried frog pills.
 

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