Emotion atheists and logical atheists.

[Donks]

WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but god is omniscient. That means he knew what satan and humans would create beforehand. So by creating satan/humans, god created evil.

 

[SezMe]

Hmmm, this is a new 1inch we're seeing here. No hellfire, no outsized fonts, no ALL CAPS (well, not too many in comparison to previous posts, ignoring Zep's devils, etc. It's almost not the same 'ol loveable 1inch.

So, 1inch, what has changed? Why the new approach?

 

[RandFan]

WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

God was all knowing. God knew that if he created Satan with free will that babies and infants and innocent people WOULD DIE! He did it anyway. He IS evil.

 

[RandFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but god is omniscient. That means he knew what satan and humans would create beforehand. So by creating satan/humans, god created evil.

You beat me to it. DAMN YOU TO HELLFIRE!

 

[Donks]

You beat me to it. DAMN YOU TO HELLFIRE!

Check the last post of page 1. Damn zaayrdragon beat us both. I'll be seeing him in HELL.

 

[1inChrist]

It is statements like this that lead me to believe you are just joking.

They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists.

If there was a god I could and damn well would question him. There isn't a god so the statment is illogical. If there was a god it is demonstrable that it isn't all good. Everything came from him. All evil came from him. He was the one who drowned babies and infants in the flood. He was the one who time after time ordered the death of infants.

Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible? Have you ever prayed to Him? Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart?

If he had any balls he would prove himself now. He doesn't have any balls because he doesn't exist.

You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in Hell), you still can have a chance to get there.

 

[Z]

Check the last post of page 1. Damn zaayrdragon beat us both. I'll be seeing him in HELL.

Of course - because

I AM THE DEVIL!

 

[Z]

They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists.



Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible? Have you ever prayed to Him? Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart?



You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in Hell), you still can have a chance to get there.

Yawn... All based on a badly edited partial selection of books written by men with agendas - and with almost no historical veracity at all.

There's more evidence for Robin Hood than for most of what the Bible has said.

Anyway, like I said, God wants us to live exactly how we live. So we can no more convert to your garage-variety theism than you can stop preaching about hellfire.

God wants me also to tell you that liars are bound for hell as well - and since you are still posting here after promising not to, well - I'll save you a bucket of embers to sit on when you get there.

 

[TragicMonkey]

This should explain things very clearly, 1inC.

 

[1inChrist]

Yes - an OMNISCIENT God creats us with Free Will - and knows EXACTLY what the outcome of that will is. After all - free will (for our part) doesn't negate his Omniscience. Therefore, every action we take, He knew we would take the moment he offered 'Free Will'.

Either Free Will doesn't really exist, or God isn't really Omnipotent and Omniscient.

Oh, and the Bible says that God created it all, GOOD AND EVIL. So God wants evil. And God wants us to do whatever it comes to our minds to do.

That being said, believe or not, I'll do what I damn well please, and be happy knowing God wants me to do this. Thank you.

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God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.

 

[P.S.A.]

Just for you InickCrisps, I'm now listening to the following song; Therapy's "Hey Satan - You Rock"

Wanna spend my whole life drunk, never wanna give a ****
Wanna walk through gates of heaven, backstage pass in hand
St. Peter, park my car, there's angels on my mind
Fix me up some manna, where d'ya keep the wine?
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock
I wanna spend my whole life drunk, never wanna give a ****
Wanna storm through gates of heaven, backstage pass in hand
St. Peter, park my car, there's angels on my mind
Take me through to see the big man, where d'ya keep the wine?
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock

See? No God Bitterness there at all; God's just boring man... it's good old fashioned debauchery for me!

 

[Donks]

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God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.

Again, god knew from the very beginning every action that would be taken by satan, you, me, and everyone else. He set things in motion this way, and they could turn out no other way, otherwise god would not be omniscient. So neither I nor anyone else can choose to do differently than what god foresaw.

 

[Z]

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God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.

Ahem... God did not create Satan???

OR am I misreading your latest insane rant?

Anyway, God gave free will to Man and Satan KNOWING what choices we would already make. KNOWING everything in the future - every last detail of every last choice that could ever possibly happen and would.

If you set a pot of water on a lit burner, and it boils, do you admonish it for boiling? If you set a pyramid on its tip, do you admonish it for falling over? If you lock a fat hen in a cage with a ravenous wolf, do you get mad at the wolf for eating your hen?

God knew what would happen. He chose it this way. We can do no different.

Ironically, that's what pure materialism thinks, too - that we do what we do because we could not have done otherwise.

So blow your horn all you want, Gabriel - I await the Tribulation with glee.

 

[crimresearch]

"Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you"

Same old 1inCripes.

He made the argument some time ago that God could give people free will and choose to let them exercise it, voluntarily limiting His omnipotence and omniscience. (Of course 1inCripes also said that Jesus in burning in Hell...).

But what he keeps running away from is the actual words of Scripture that contradict his false statements about the Bible.

And the Bible shows that God has deliberately taken away free will from mankind when it suited Him.

Which brings us back to the same question...how is it that 1inCripes know so much less about Christianity and the Bible than a bunch of skeptics and atheists?

 

[Z]

Again, god knew from the very beginning every action that would be taken by satan, you, me, and everyone else. He set things in motion this way, and they could turn out no other way, otherwise god would not be omniscient. So neither I nor anyone else can choose to do differently than what god foresaw.

DAMN YOU, DONKS!

Now YOU get the seat next to the flames!! Argh!! My position in HELL has been usurped by an upstart!!

 

[RandFan]

They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists.

Not really but thanks anyway.

Man and Satan started all the evil.

God started man and satan knowing that they would do evil. God started evil. You might not like it but there is no escaping the fact.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible?
Have you ever prayed to Him?

Many times I was a missionary.

Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart?

Yes. And I convinced many others to do the same. I got down on my knees with them and prayed. I'm not joking with you it is the honest truth.

You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules.

His rules are arbitrary.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in Hell), you still can have a chance to get there.

I have a chance to get 70 virgins in Heaven if I convert to Islam and strap on a bomb to kill innocent people. Christians are not the only ones who can kill people in the name of god.

 

[Donks]

DAMN YOU, DONKS!

Now YOU get the seat next to the flames!! Argh!! My position in HELL has been usurped by an upstart!!

Ha! I beat zaayrdragon!

I win this debate.

 

[Z]

Ha! I beat zaayrdragon!

I win this debate.

And the Dragon gave His authority to the Beast...

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

If satan is free (and as intelligent as you pressume), why if he chooses to believe in Christ? will he be saved? aahh thats a good question, isnt it?

 

[Batman Jr.]

Re: Emotional atheists and logical atheists.

It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him. This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God.

Hmmm...

So, Satan we have established is "bad" and anything that he does is bad. Since Satan created logic, logic is "bad." Therefore, logic cannot be used to seek the truth. Don't you realize that these are logical procedures you are using to support your argument?

And good luck having the innocence of a child. I hope you don't accidentally eat too many paint chips or stick your finger in an electrical outlet. You should stop using your computer too. The development of the computer predicated itself on logic and empiricism. You should also stop using your car, cooking things on your stove, watching TV, using medicine, or any number of other things that actually work which came about through logical, scientific thought.