Elvis And Religion

[wollery]

Yes, people should go and read those threads, to see just how badly DOC has fared in his attempts to show that the US is a Christian nation, and that Christianity is the one true religion.

 

[Hokulele]

Is anyone else as amused as I am that DOC is posting this on a Sunday?

"A little less conversation, a little more action." - Elvis

 

[strathmeyer]

Most of these people would disagree with you:

http://www.elvis.net/whattheysay/theysay.html

So what? People say similar things about the Beatles, Michael Jackson, and the Backstreet Boys. What is your point?

Several people in here are talking about many of my other threads. And some are even giving false or misleading info about them. This is no doubt confusing to people who have not read my other threads. In order to make things clearer for them here are some of my other threads:

Jefferson and Separation of Church and State

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...43#post2347743

Peter, the apostle

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...00#post2714200

Could Communism in Russia have been successful with Christianity?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...54#post2782654

Christopher Columbus and the Bible

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...13#post2806813

The Viking, Leif Ericson

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...55#post2792555

The Chrisian Roots of American Schools

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2953472#post2953472

Do you understand why it's a little stupid of you to point out the threads that you have ran away from because people asked you simple questions?

 

[Lonewulf]

And it has no real weight in determining the validity of those political beliefs.

Well, yeah. Hence, "next to useless".

 

[DOC]

Do you understand why it's a little stupid of you to point out the threads that you have ran away from because people asked you simple questions?

Well then, you should be happy I posted the threads in post #60. And by the way, your use of the word stupid is a violation of Randi's rules on civility.

 

[kmortis]

Peter, the apostle

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...00#post2714200


Christopher Columbus and the Bible

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...13#post2806813

Aw, ****, I missed those two. I guess they're just buried under the mind-numingly inane nature of them all.

 

[articulett]

Aw, ****, I missed those two. I guess they're just buried under the mind-numingly inane nature of them all.

I'll also note that you missed my "evidence" that pelvic swinging is a sign of satan...
Isn't that convenient? Are you by chance, a pelvic swinger?

 

[joobz]

Several people in here are talking about many of my other threads. And some are even giving false or misleading info about them. This is no doubt confusing to people who have not read my other threads. In order to make things clearer for them here are some of my other threads

I wonder who you are talking about?

BTW, is this Elvis thread another premise for your Proof of Christianity, or is this thread meant to prove the awesomeness of elvis?

 

[kmortis]

I'll also note that you missed my "evidence" that pelvic swinging is a sign of satan...
Isn't that convenient? Are you by chance, a pelvic swinger?

Actually, if you look closer, you'll notice that I do concede the point being possible. I'll just need a bit more evidence.

 

[Southwind17]

yes but which relationship between religion and revered icons?

I think I might have read too deeply into DOC's OP, but my interpretation is possibly an extension of what everybody else believes he's inferring. I thought he was inferring the following logic:

1. Elvis is a revered icon
2. ... but many of Elvis's songs had a highly religious content and/or message
3. If you're non-religious, or better still an atheist (as are many of the JREF members), how can you possibly revere Elvis and all he stood for?
4. If you claim to be non-religious or an atheist but revere Elvis than you're either lying or a hypocrite

Please be clear: my interpretation of his inference; not necessarily my view. I don't want to receive all the flack that DOC might otherwise deserve!

Well, he does say where he lives. And that's not the point, you have assumes that he reveres Elvis, despite him comparing him to his next door neighbour. You then went on a flight of fancy bout how he must feel uncomfortable when it is pointed out that Elvis was a Christian.

I'll readily admit that I did consciously assume that. He did not go on to deny it, though, which could have been somewhat embarrassing for me! His comparison with the nextdoor neighbour was, I believe, a ploy to play down his reverence, but again, I could be wrong. Flight of fancy? I wouldn't go so far as to say that. It's not that Elvis was a Christian that struck a chord with me, but that he was, seemingly, highly religious, and his artistry reflected and reinforced that.

Southwind17, have you familiarized yourself with DOC's other threads.
ETA: I see you've already answered my opening question. I make it a habit before attacking or defending anyone to check some of their posts, and particularly the threads they've started. But that's just me - YMMV.

Thanks for the heads up Foolmewunz, and the tip. BTW - never confess to attacking anyone, well, not unless the plea bargain's worth it!

 

[DOC]

BTW, is this Elvis thread another premise for your Proof of Christianity, or is this thread meant to prove the awesomeness of elvis?

I have never given "proof" for Christianity anymore than science has proven life came from a freak collision of nonliving chemicals. I'm just putting info out there. What you do with it is your business.

 

[Lonewulf]

1. Elvis is a revered icon
2. ... but many of Elvis's songs had a highly religious content and/or message
3. If you're non-religious, or better still an atheist (as are many of the JREF members), how can you possibly revere Elvis and all he stood for?
4. If you claim to be non-religious or an atheist but revere Elvis than you're either lying or a hypocrite

Ahhhhh, what a fun fallacious argument.

 

[joobz]

I have never given "proof" for Christianity anymore than science has proven life came from a freak collision of nonliving chemicals. I'm just putting info out there. What you do with it is your business.

Well, I agree that you have failed to prove anything, but that doesn't mean you haven't attempted it.

DOC, I need only give one example to prove your claim of merely providing information is false.

So when I talk about Peter being in Rome for a few years and then in post 13

Ducky asks "so what" and I answer

Well Christ did call Peter "the Rock" that he would build his Church on. If the altar of St. Peter's Basilica (maybe the biggest Church in the world) is built directly above the grave of Peter that would be quite a prediction ol' Christ made.

And then you say I didn't answer the question and even state in a forum you put up about me that the question goes unanswered, I really think you "lose credibility". You can't give a more direct answer as to why Peter being in Rome is important. St Peter's Basilica is in Rome in case you didn't know.

i know you posted this to prove me wrong about you answering the So what question. you were correct, I was wrong. You did answer it at least once. Yet, you failed to realize the implications of answering this question. It proves that you are attempting to bolster up christianity as the one true faith through your series of threads. This is tantemount to attempting to prove christianity.

In other words, I proved you wrong.

 

[Lonewulf]

...anymore than science has proven life came from a freak collision of nonliving chemicals.

Except that "science" has demonstrated that it is A) Possible, and B) Have replicated various processes that would have led up to the evolution of life (such as the Miller-Urey Experiment).

There's also evidence of genetics, genetic mutations, natural selection... and what do we have for proof of Xianity?

"Some dude predicted where another dude would be buried!"

"ELVIS WAS RELIGIOUS!1111111oneoneoneoneleveneleven."

Well, I'm convinced.

 

[Southwind17]

Ahhhhh, what a fun fallacious argument.

So do you agree with my interpretation Lonewulf, or do you think I dug too deep?

Perhaps the man himself would care to comment. I'm surprised he hasn't clarified matters for us already. DOC?

 

[jond]

Elvis is Dead by Living Colour

Tabloids scream
Elvis seen at a shopping mall
That's the kind of talk
That makes my stomach crawl

Picture a zombie Elvis
In a tacky white jump suit
Just imagine a rotting Elvis
Shopping for fresh fruit

You can't 'cause

Chorus:
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead

When the King died
He was all alone
I heard that when he died
He was sittin' on his throne

Alas poor Elvis
They made us know you well
Now you dwell forever
In the Heartbreak Hotel

Chorus

Elvis was a hero to most
But that's beside the point
A black man taught him how to sing
And then he was crowned king

The pelvis of Elvis
Too dangerous for the masses

They cleaned him up and sent him to Vegas
Now the masses are his slave
Slave? slave
Yes, even from the grave

Elvis is dead

[Little Richard]
Presley was a good performer
On stage he was electrifying
When he was ill his fans got sick
And moaned when they heard he'd died
To all you pimps makin' money on his name
How do you sleep don't you feel no shame?
He went through the test he's out of this mess
Be my guest and let him rest
[/Little Richard]

I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland

The VERY first thing that popped into my head!

 

[Lonewulf]

So do you agree with my interpretation Lonewulf, or do you think I dug too deep?

Don't know, don't care.

Either he's making (another) fallacious, easily-refuted argument that honestly is meaningless, or he's making a meaningless thread in another vein. There is nothing of value here, nor will there be, judging by previous DOC threads. He spouts falsities as reality, and ignores any evidence to the contrary.

In this case, he probably IS right, and that Elvis was religious. But that means nothing, in any particular way.

Perhaps the man himself would care to comment. I'm surprised he hasn't clarified matters for us already. DOC?

See, this is evidence that you haven't read enough DOC threads: You're surprised that he hasn't clarified matters.

 

[cyborg]

I'm just putting info out there.

Thanks DOC. Your threads have certainly educated me to the fact that Christianity exists and people are adherents of it.

 

[Ryan O'Dine]

And speaking of the Beatles, John Lennon has outsold Elvis Presley by tens of millions of units, and his little band "the Beatles" is the number one selling musical group of all time (at least as of 10/10/06). (Source)

Lennon has arguably been more influential in terms of both technical and artistic innovation in popular music than Elvis ever was. For example (do please correct me if I’m wrong), Elvis never wrote an original song in his life.

Now let’s see... what were Lennon’s religious beliefs?

...God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Jesus...

My point?

I'm just putting info out there. What you do with it is your business.

 

[gypsey]

Elvis Presley (Cherokee) - Singer/ Entertainer
His great-great-great-grandmother, Morning White Dove, was full-blooded Cherokee and Elvis Presley was quite proud of his Native heritage - and many Cherokee's are quite proud of him - but Colonel Tom Parker advised him against identifying his Native heritage due to racial tensions of that time. Elvis won three Grammy Awards, has more multi-platinum sales than any other performer, had 18 #1 songs, sold over a billion albums worldwide (more than any other artist or group, including the Beatles), and the first ever musical video was Jailhouse Rock (1957).

doc would he still be some one you held up as a symbol if he had followed his ggg grandmothers path and why was it so important to hide his native ancestry? doesn't the native blood taint him for you since you believe what you do about natives ?

DOC

gypsey
so you are saying that if christ had never been born my fathers people would still be on their ancestral lands there would have been no trail of tears no small pox epidemic no being almost driven to extinction because we would have never been "discovered" and our lands "settled"

If Christ had never been born I have a feeling there would have been constant wars between tribes, and maybe later somebody like Hitler, Napolean, or the atheist Russians would have come along and completely wiped out all of the Native Tribes with their modern weapons.