Elvis And Religion

Southwind17 said:
You see, you're completely missing DOC's inferred point.
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I am?

Wait a minute, you mean we actually have someone on the forum that thinks that DOC has a point...?
I'm certainly not a fan either, which is why I, too, don't care about his religiosity. It's only if you are a fan that the question could become relevant.
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Okay, but in what way?
 
Elvis is Dead by Living Colour

Tabloids scream
Elvis seen at a shopping mall
That's the kind of talk
That makes my stomach crawl

Picture a zombie Elvis
In a tacky white jump suit
Just imagine a rotting Elvis
Shopping for fresh fruit

You can't 'cause

Chorus:
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead
Elvis is dead

When the King died
He was all alone
I heard that when he died
He was sittin' on his throne

Alas poor Elvis
They made us know you well
Now you dwell forever
In the Heartbreak Hotel

Chorus

Elvis was a hero to most
But that's beside the point
A black man taught him how to sing
And then he was crowned king

The pelvis of Elvis
Too dangerous for the masses

They cleaned him up and sent him to Vegas
Now the masses are his slave
Slave? slave
Yes, even from the grave

Elvis is dead

[Little Richard]
Presley was a good performer
On stage he was electrifying
When he was ill his fans got sick
And moaned when they heard he'd died
To all you pimps makin' money on his name
How do you sleep don't you feel no shame?
He went through the test he's out of this mess
Be my guest and let him rest
[/Little Richard]

I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
I've got a reason to believe
We all won't be received at Graceland
 
Lonewulf said:
Caring about his religious preferences is like caring about an actor's political beliefs. It's interesting, but unrelated to what they were actually known for. And it's next to useless information, outside of personal interest or trivia.
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And it has no real weight in determining the validity of those political beliefs.
 
Southwind17 said:
The relationship between religion and revered icons (where such a relationship exists, that is). DOC chose Elvis, for obvious reasons, but he could have chosen others, I suppose.
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yes but which relationship between religion and revered icons?


I don't know where he lives, but I doubt it's next door to a revered icon, which is the differentiator here.
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Well, he does say where he lives. And that's not the point, you have assumes that he reveres Elvis, despite him comparing him to his next door neighbour. You then went on a flight of fancy bout how he must feel uncomfortable when it is pointed out that Elvis was a Christian.


Im sorry - you've lost me - what does? Dismiss DOC's inference.
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The idea that Sismosaruas is in some way upset about the reminder that Elvis was a Christian, you say that it is "understandable", despite terse being no evidence what so ever that Sismosaraus is upset about it. I have no idea what doc's inference may be , his implication (as with every other thread he starts) is that Christianity is the one true faith- in this case because an uneducated red neck who became a popular singer was a Christian- classic appeal to authority.

So you're an Elvis fan too?
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Yes i am, as my first post in this trhead clearly shows. And I hate anyone who ever dares mention that Elvis was Christian. They're evil, evil I tell you.
 
Lonewulf said:
I am?

Wait a minute, you mean we actually have someone on the forum that thinks that DOC has a point...?
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I've not read DOC's posts before, so I'm not really in a position to judge him. I don't see any great harm in his OP here though, even if the intent isn't clear to all.

Lonewulf said:
Okay, but in what way?
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Well, it seems to me that DOC is inferring a degree of hypocrisy amongst avid Elvis fans who claim to be non-religious, or better still atheists. I'm not judging one way or the other, but I'm interested in reading the responses, that is if anybody will face the inferred allegation head on.

My interpretation and reading between DOC's lines could be wrong, though.
 
Southwind17 said:
You see, you're completely missing DOC's inferred point. I'm certainly not a fan either, which is why I, too, don't care about his religiosity. It's only if you are a fan that the question could become relevant.
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Southwind17, have you familiarized yourself with DOC's other threads. He tries to sell Christianity, as I mentioned, through the logical fallacy of argument from authority. To date, he's started threads on the underlying (and evidently very surprising [to him] ) Christian beliefs of Leif Ericson, Christopher Columbus, Thomas Jefferson, the founders of all the nation's universities, and now Elvis.

I'd say he started off on the historical firsts to set foot in North America (Ericson and Columbus), figuring that would convince us. Then he went to Jefferson, since he's taken by many to be the great philosophizer of the founding fathers. Having run head-on into people who knew a lot more about Jefferson than he does, he then went to our achilles heel - education, figuring we'd surely crumble when we realized that our major institutions of higher learning were originally founded with religious underpinnings. (Gasp! What a surprise! I'd have never thunk it! In 18th and 19th century heavily Christian America universities were founded on Christian principles? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!)

Now, we're evidently incapable of grasping the first explorers, founding fathers or higher education..... So we're off to Elvis. When that doesn't work? Who knows? Since we seem to be heading into popular culture and he keeps lowering the target, I'm reckoning he's going to post on the Christian beliefs of Charlie O'Connell.(*)

His approach reminds me of my first day in school in Tulsa, having arrived mid-year from New Orleans via Memphis. Some kid leaned over to me to chat, and the first words out of his mouth were, "You know, Oklahoma's a famous state?" Uhhh, yeah, I've actually heard of all 50 of them for one reason or another.


(*) 5 cents for the obscure reference. Admit it if you had to Google.

ETA: I see you've already answered my opening question. I make it a habit before attacking or defending anyone to check some of their posts, and particularly the threads they've started. But that's just me - YMMV.
 
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Cleon said:
So what?
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So what? SO what? SO WHAT??? How can you say that? Can't you see the point that's as obvious as that ray gun thingy hanging off of your face? Elvis was a Christian, that means you should be too. Give up your Jewy ways, Cleon, come join the One True Religion. Don't you realize that if a talent like Elvis can see the Way, that you should too? Elvis was everything. He started Rock 'n' Roll, so you should model your life off his.


Well, him and James Kennedy.

and Suklow.

And Barton.

See? Look at all these people who were convinced that Christianity is The Relgion of Choice. 3 billion of them, they can't all be wrong, can they? They started the schools in this country. Atheistism never got anyone off of drugs, it MUST be false then. And don't even get me started on the USSR, they would have succeeded if they'd only been Christian. Only Christian empires survive. This country is a Christian Nation and it's surviving, not like that Pagan Empire - Rome. And it's all thanks to the hard work and dedication of Leif Erikson.

If Jesus hadn't been born, the Native Americans would be languishing in their own filth.

Did I get them all?
 
Southwind17 said:
Well, it seems to me that DOC is inferring a degree of hypocrisy amongst avid Elvis fans who claim to be non-religious, or better still atheists. I'm not judging one way or the other, but I'm interested in reading the responses, that is if anybody will face the inferred allegation head on.

My interpretation and reading between DOC's lines could be wrong, though.
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I'm afraid that you'll have to explain how it could possibly be hypocritical to like the music of someone with whom you don't share a religious belief. Quite frankly I think it couldn't be less relevant.
 
kmortis said:
Did I get them all?
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You forgot about his foray into unitarianism.
DOC said:
Actually I was being quite conservative concerning the number of people who believe in God. I gave Christians 2 billion and Islam 1 billion although its probably higher. I didn't include all the Jews and tribal people who believe in God or a Great Spirit. I'm not an expert on all the Asian religions but many of them probably believe in a single primary deity.
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I thought they were forbidden to film Elvis below the waist on Ed's show because of all that suggestive pelvic swinging which caused young lasses to swoon.

Isn't pelvic swinging a sign of Satan?
 
articulett said:
I thought they were forbidden to film Elvis below the waist on Ed's show because of all that suggestive pelvic swinging which caused young lasses to swoon.

Isn't pelvic swinging a sign of Satan?
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Not that I know of.

:mdance::monkeyr::mdance::dewink:


Then again, I could be wrong
 
kmortis said:
So what? SO what? SO WHAT??? How can you say that? Can't you see the point that's as obvious as that ray gun thingy hanging off of your face? Elvis was a Christian, that means you should be too. Give up your Jewy ways, Cleon, come join the One True Religion. Don't you realize that if a talent like Elvis can see the Way, that you should too? Elvis was everything. He started Rock 'n' Roll, so you should model your life off his.


Well, him and James Kennedy.

and Suklow.

And Barton.

See? Look at all these people who were convinced that Christianity is The Relgion of Choice. 3 billion of them, they can't all be wrong, can they? They started the schools in this country. Atheistism never got anyone off of drugs, it MUST be false then. And don't even get me started on the USSR, they would have succeeded if they'd only been Christian. Only Christian empires survive. This country is a Christian Nation and it's surviving, not like that Pagan Empire - Rome. And it's all thanks to the hard work and dedication of Leif Erikson.

If Jesus hadn't been born, the Native Americans would be languishing in their own filth.

Did I get them all?
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Yeah... but Christians die young... like Elvis... and Jesus.

If religion helps you get famous (and it has for the likes of Haggard), I think Scientology is the way to go. Xenu gives his minions the ability to fly airplanes along with their millions. Just saying...
 
I'm honestly just confused by this new Elvis preoccupation. This is not exactly a board full of Elvis fans, here. I can think of a number of Christian singers I enjoy listening to, none of whom got in trouble for sexually suggestive dancing or died of a drug overdose.

Hell*, I've probably sung more gospel songs than DOC knows exist.


* Yes, that was intentional.
 
Cleon said:
I'm honestly just confused by this new Elvis preoccupation. This is not exactly a board full of Elvis fans, here. I can think of a number of Christian singers I enjoy listening to, none of whom got in trouble for sexually suggestive dancing or died of a drug overdose.

Hell*, I've probably sung more gospel songs than DOC knows exist.


* Yes, that was intentional.
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How many songs go well with the lyrics "exterminate. EXterminate. EXTERMINATE!"?
 
Well, by Doc's "logic", Scientology must be right. Just look all those famous people who are Scientologists! They even have a celebrity center. Does the Vatican have a celebrity center? Hmmm? Hmmm?
 
Several people in here are talking about many of my other threads. And some are even giving false or misleading info about them. This is no doubt confusing to people who have not read my other threads. In order to make things clearer for them here are some of my other threads:

Jefferson and Separation of Church and State

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...43#post2347743

Peter, the apostle

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...00#post2714200

Could Communism in Russia have been successful with Christianity?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...54#post2782654

Christopher Columbus and the Bible

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...13#post2806813

The Viking, Leif Ericson

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...55#post2792555

The Chrisian Roots of American Schools

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2953472#post2953472
 
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