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Elizabeth Warren - 1/32nd Cherokee? How?

ravdin said:
Whoops! Let me fix it.

<sarcasm>Given that she has 97% European (i.e. non-diverse) ancestry</sarcasm>

I agree, it's completely ridiculous to assume that all people of European descent are a monolithic, non-diverse bunch. That's academia for you!
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I don't think you can blame "academia" for our silly cultural views on race; they've never been particularly inspired (e.g. "one drop of blood", Black vs African conflation, all people to the South are Hispanic or Latino).
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I don't think you can blame "academia" for our silly cultural views on race; they've never been particularly inspired (e.g. "one drop of blood", Black vs African conflation, all people to the South are Hispanic or Latino).
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Perhaps not, but I can certainly blame academia for Harvard's silly views on race.
 
The conservative blogs are calling her Fauxcahotas. Her latest excuse? She thought she might get invited to a luncheon with other 1/32nd Cherokees. But apparently the luncheon offers never came and so she took herself off the list.

Then she tries the indignant trick:

"The only one as I understand it who’s raising any question about whether or not I was qualified for my job is Scott Brown and I think I am qualified and frankly I’m a little shocked to hear anybody raise a question about whether or not I’m qualified to hold a job teaching,” she said, pushing to put Brown on defense. “What does he think it takes for a woman to be qualified?”
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But as Ann Althouse (a law school prof at Wisconsin) notes:

This is nonresponsive to the issue, an attempt to distract. The question is not whether she was qualified. The question is whether she tried to obtain or did obtain a special advantage, with race taken as a plus factor. In affirmative action, the concern is not whether those who are hired are qualified. It's whether the most meritorious candidate received the offer and whether race should boost one person over the next person.
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So you're wondering how Warren is 1/32nd Cherokee, and then posting a link to an article claiming she's 1/32nd Cherokee because her great-great-great grandmother was?

Uhm, congratulations on answering your own question?
 
ravdin said:
Perhaps not, but I can certainly blame academia for Harvard's silly views on race.
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Last I checked, Harvard took enough federal money to fall under the government's rules on race. People can self report as black, Hispanic, and so on, based on distant ancestry.
But claiming Indian status for set asides (especially Cherokee) requires proof of tribal membership.

Ask Ward Churchill.
 
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Not sure about this here in the land of Connecticut Casinos 1/32 mans you are an Indian?
Did she claim to be more than that.
 
I would hope if my great-great-great grandmother was somehow alive and knew I was her great-great-great grandson she would want for me to benefit from whatever is available based upon her ancestry.
 
Halfcentaur said:
I would hope if my great-great-great grandmother was somehow alive and knew I was her great-great-great grandson she would want for me to benefit from whatever is available based upon her ancestry.
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All of my great-great-great grandmothers would likely try to hang me for witchcraft for using devil magic to communicate through the air with sorcerous machines like this computer. Or they might be okay with that, but object to the fact that I use said sorcerous machines to look at pictures of butts. Either way, I'm not certain I really care what they'd think. Thanks for the genetic material, ladies, but stay out of my life. And for a few of you, stay out of the Yemassee War. What's that? Too late? Sorry, didn't mean to bring it up. What? Yes, I'll be good. No, I won't. No. Okay. Yes, grandma. Yes. Okay. You, too. What? Yes. Mmm hmmm. Well, that's sad. Sorry about your leg. What? Yes. Okay. Mmm hmmm. Look, grandma, I got to go. Okay. Mmmhmmm. You, too. Okay, I got to-- what? No. Yes. Mmm hmmm. Okay, bye. Bye! BYE, grandma! Love you! She was totally still talking when I hung up.
 
Brainster said:
The conservative blogs are calling her Fauxcahotas. Her latest excuse? She thought she might get invited to a luncheon with other 1/32nd Cherokees. But apparently the luncheon offers never came and so she took herself off the list.

Then she tries the indignant trick:



But as Ann Althouse (a law school prof at Wisconsin) notes:
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Wait, you're taking this idiocy seriously?
 
Unabogie said:
Wait, you're taking this idiocy seriously?
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During the 1980s and 1990s, law schools were under continual pressure to show "diversity" in their faculty. The way I see it, there are two explanations for Warren listing her minor "minority" status:

1. The schools pushed for her to mention it, because she gave them a two-fer: a female and a Native American.

2. Warren herself pushed for it, because it made her more attractive to the elite colleges, so that she could move up to Harvard.

However, Warren dropped mention of it after getting hired by Harvard. It seems pretty obvious that explanation #1 would have still applied, but #2 ceased to be important, as she had arrived at the pinnacle of her profession.
 
the Cherokee Nation will accept anyone descended from someone on the Dawes Rolls (same situation as why Israel will accept anyone the Nazis would kill) but to be Cherokee you have to be part of the community. I've got ancestry, but I have no connections to the Cherokee community, so I'm not Cherokee.
 
Unabogie said:
Right, where did she lie? In that original article I didn't see any of this supposed lying. Can you cite some evidence?
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She may not have lied. But even if I take what she says at face value, what a load of phony bs. (Unfortunately. I very much want her to win.)
 
varwoche said:
She may not have lied. But even if I take what she says at face value, what a load of phony bs. (Unfortunately. I very much want her to win.)
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Phony how? If I have 1/32 Cherokee ancestry, I'm not allowed to say so? I know lots of people who are part Native American and they all mention it. It's a very interesting thing to most people. Did she use this fact to get something she wasn't entitled to? Is there anyone claiming that Elizabeth Warren isn't freaking brilliant and deserves whatever success she's had? Did she beat out some deserving white guy who deserved her slot more, but because she was 1/32 Cherokee they went with the squaw?

Aside from her checking a box...which was true!...what is she alleged to have done wrong?
 
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