Split Thread [Ed] Personal experiences with gays

Quad4_72 said:
And I would venture to say that you are incorrect. From my experience, I would say that most gays act femme or camp or whatever you want to call it.
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Yes, you have said so several times now. Repeating it over and over will not make it more true and it will not help you to overcome the objections that have been raised to your stance.

You would need a reliable way of identifying gays and heterosexuals independently from their behavior and could then compare the respective rates of either behavior to either sexuality. Everything else is nothing but confirmation bias on your part.
 
arthwollipot said:
Personally I know at least a couple of trans ladies who would disagree with you there, but as you say that's a topic for another thread (don't make me do the whole split thing again!).
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I vote for a split, if only because I can't wait to read the title of that thread!
 
Quad, you would know people who are gay who you do not realise are gay. As you do not realise that they are gay, you fail to take them into your calculations on what most gay men are like. It's that simple.
 
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Rasmus said:
Yes, you have said so several times now. Repeating it over and over will not make it more true and it will not help you to overcome the objections that have been raised to your stance.

You would need a reliable way of identifying gays and heterosexuals independently from their behavior and could then compare the respective rates of either behavior to either sexuality. Everything else is nothing but confirmation bias on your part.
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And you would need the same thing correct?
 
fatewilleatyou said:
I have terrible gaydar, I'm pretty sure gaydar is less exhibited clues and more confirmation bias.
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Yes, of course it is.

How many times do you really get to know anything about someone's sexuality if other than that you don't know them and can only observe their behavior over a short period of time?
 
Alan said:
Quad4_72, you're saying that there are masculine gay men, but that it seems at times that you are saying that you haven't actually met any.

The problem is that it seems you are assuming that you haven't met any masculine gay men.
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Maybe if he stopped performing at the local tranny shack he'd think differently
Quad4_72 said:
I used to work at a club which would put on drag shows every once in a while.
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perhaps its the circles he moves in or something
who really knows though eh, seems to be a logical disconnect somewhere between, "gay men are all femme" and "I am macho, so therefore......" to me.
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Quad4_72 said:
And you would need the same thing correct?
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It would be possible to qualitatively analyse the behaviours of a large enough sample of men about the degrees to which they exhibit camp characteristics. Afterwards, they state their sexuality. It could be done.

I recall a J. Michael Bailey study looking at videotapes of people as children and finding campness predicts homosexuality. But I didn't actually read the study as I just saw it reported on in the media.
 
Quad4_72 said:
And I would venture to say that you are incorrect. From my experience, I would say that most gays act femme or camp or whatever you want to call it.
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It seems unlikely to me that you would have more experience with gay men than I.
 
Rasmus said:
I am not the one making a claim, you are. You need to provide evidence - simple as that.
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Aren't you claiming that most homosexual men do not act camp, and that the camp ones are in fact the rarity? You would need to provide evidence for that as well.
 
JihadJane said:
Is this supposed to be a dismissive insult?
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Nope. What I posted was indeed politically incorrect. While I think it is semantics, and everyone know EXACTLY what type of behavior I am referring to when I say acting "straight" or "gay", it is still politically incorrect.
 
Quad4_72 said:
A good portion of society today would disagree with you that sexual preference doesn't really matter. Personally, I think it matters a great deal, especially when it comes to romantic relationships and transexuals. I am pretty sure that most men would want to know if the transexual they are having sex with was once a dude (Well, still is a dude if you ask me. Turning a penis inside out via cosmetic surgery doesn't really make you a female, but that is probably for another thread).
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well, of course it would matter in that sense. I mean morally it doesnt matter, and so it should matter to God, if there was one, either.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Aren't you claiming that most homosexual men do not act camp, and that the camp ones are in fact the rarity? You would need to provide evidence for that as well.
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If I did say that I'll retract the claim as I indeed do not have any basis to make it. I maintain, however, that your reasoning is circular and much better explained with confirmation bias than any actual behavior patterns of people.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Nope. What I posted was indeed politically incorrect. While I think it is semantics, and everyone know EXACTLY what type of behavior I am referring to when I say acting "straight" or "gay", it is still politically incorrect.
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I posted because what I think you said was wrong rather than non-pc.

Yes, I know what you meant, but in this case your wording is begging the question and hence it is important.

(For future reference: I couldn't care less about what is and is not PC and I value it if people speak their minds as much as I generally value straightforwardness. At the very least, it makes it much easier to identify people I'd rather not associate with - and this is absolutely not directed at anyone in this thread!)
 
Rasmus said:
If I did say that I'll retract the claim as I indeed do not have any basis to make it. I maintain, however, that your reasoning is circular and much better explained with confirmation bias than any actual behavior patterns of people.
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I do not have any statistical evidence either. As I have always said, it is from my personal experience that I make the claims I have made. I now refer you to the title of the thread...
 
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