Split Thread [Ed] Personal experiences with gays

[Quad4_72]

now you are indeed starting to offend i think. your prejudice and limited experiance with homosexual people acting feminime are in no way indicaters that indeed all gay people act feminime. that nonsense and very unsceptical.

You seem to have failed miserably to read the last sentence of my post:

This is my personal experience with gay people, and I acknowledge that there are probably plenty who act straight.

 

[DC]

All of those gay guys acted feminine, so he apparently picked up a few of their personality traits. Does this bother you?

how come you asume he picked it up from them and it is not rather something that comes from dancing itself?
Many dancers move more feminime than other man, but are totaly straight.
moving elegant looks prety feminime for example, but is essential for dancers etc.
your comment goes almost in the direction of "he got infected with gayness"

 

[Rasmus]

....You aren't making too much sense. The reason I said lots of straight people participate in gay pride parades is because I personally know lots of straight people who participate in gay pride parades.

I don't think anyone would deny that they do.

And you seem to be suggesting that ALL gay and straight people act exactly alike.

No.

It is not my contention that ALL gay people act feminine. From my personal experience, I have only seen gay people act feminine though, so to me the stereotype definitely holds true.

But you simply don't know that or haven't shown that you know it.

You are essentially saying that all Scots are wearing kilts. Everybody knows they do. You have never seen a Scot not wearing a kilt and everyone you've ever seen in a kilt was a Scot.

BUT you have no reliable way of telling who is a Scot that is independent of their wearing a kilt.

How would you know that someone is gay if you are not observing them acting effeminate? You seem to just assume that someone isn't gay in that case.

Likewise, how do you know that someone is gay when they are acting effeminate? How could you tell an effeminate heterosexual from an effeminate homosexual? So far, you are simply asserting that the former doesn't exist.

Sorry if that offends you.

What makes you think anyone is offended?

If it does, start a campaign for homosexuals to start acting less feminine.

No need to. A lot of them don't whether you know it or not.

I am not offended by homosexuals acting in whatever way they want, and I am not offended by your being wrong, wither.

 

[Rasmus]

If you are outside of the gay community, you only know what you see. Fems are visible, the rest are not.

This! Plain and simple.

 

[Alan]

Quad4_72, you're saying that there are masculine gay men, but that it seems at times that you are saying that you haven't actually met any.

The problem is that it seems you are assuming that you haven't met any masculine gay men.

 

[Rasmus]

This is my personal experience with gay people, and I acknowledge that there are probably plenty who act straight.

Wrong.

They are not acting at all, and then they are not acting behaving "straight" but simply non-effeminate.

 

[Quad4_72]

Quad4_72, you're saying that there are masculine gay men, but that it seems at times that you are saying that you haven't actually met any.

The problem is that it seems you are assuming that you haven't met any masculine gay men.

I don't know if I have met any masculine gay men or not, because being masculine is generally associated with being straight, so I would naturally assume that person is straight.

Seeing as how the majority of the population is straight, I would say my guess when encountering a masculine male that he is probably straight would be a correct guess probably 95% of the time or more. When encountering a male who acts extremely feminine, and then guess he is gay, I would say that guess would probably hold true about 99% of the time. Does this seem like a fair assessment?

Keep in mind, those numbers are not based on any statistical evidence whatsoever and are completely based on personal experience.

 

[Quad4_72]

Wrong.

They are not acting at all, and then they are not acting behaving "straight" but simply non-effeminate.

Political incorrectness noted.

 

[DC]

I don't know if I have met any masculine gay men or not, because being masculine is generally associated with being straight, so I would naturally assume that person is straight.

Seeing as how the majority of the population is straight, I would say my guess when encountering a masculine male that he is probably straight would be a correct guess probably 95% of the time or more. When encountering a male who acts extremely feminine, and then guess he is gay, I would say that guess would probably hold true about 99% of the time. Does this seem like a fair assessment?

Keep in mind, those numbers are not based on any statistical evidence whatsoever and are completely based on personal experience.

or some lesbian woman.

 

[Quad4_72]

how come you asume he picked it up from them and it is not rather something that comes from dancing itself?
Many dancers move more feminime than other man, but are totaly straight.
moving elegant looks prety feminime for example, but is essential for dancers etc.
your comment goes almost in the direction of "he got infected with gayness"

The way his friends talked who were gay and part of that dance team was very feminine. My brother ended up talking mildly feminine as well, and saying a lot of the little phrases that they said as well. The most logical assumption is that he picked up those feminine traits from the gays.

 

[Quad4_72]

or some lesbian woman.

Correct. And I have some VERY interesting personal experiences with lesbians These experiences make me question the whole "You were born gay" thing.

 

[Quad4_72]

Dare I say I started this thread about homosexuals and atheism, not my personal opinion on how gays act. If you would like to discuss my personal opinions and experiences about encounters with homosexuals, feel free to start a thread in the Social Issues and Current Events section titled "Quad4_72 explains his personal experiences with gays" and I will be more than happy to attend. You guys got me all thrown off topic here lol.

 

[Alan]

I don't know if I have met any masculine gay men or not, because being masculine is generally associated with being straight, so I would naturally assume that person is straight.

Seeing as how the majority of the population is straight, I would say my guess when encountering a masculine male that he is probably straight would be a correct guess probably 95% of the time or more. When encountering a male who acts extremely feminine, and then guess he is gay, I would say that guess would probably hold true about 99% of the time. Does this seem like a fair assessment?

Keep in mind, those numbers are not based on any statistical evidence whatsoever and are completely based on personal experience.

Let's say that if you meet a gay man there's a 75% chance he's 'masculine' and a 25% chance he's 'feminine'.

It's an oversimplification in my example, of course, to treat it as femininity and masculinity as either/or. And the percentages are just to give a general idea.

No longer thinking masculinity is evidence in favour of heterosexuality in men would help you out.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

But how do you know which men in gay pride parades are the straight ones?


Are you sure about that...?

You are such a silly, it is very obvious who are the straight people in a gay-pride parade, they are the ones that don't look gay!

 

[Darat]

All of those gay guys acted feminine, so he apparently picked up a few of their personality traits. Does this bother you?

I know very, very few (i.e. none) women who act at all like the stereotype of a so-called "effeminate" gay man; it's puzzling why such behaviour is considered feminine when very, very few women act in such a way.

 

[DC]

Correct. And I have some VERY interesting personal experiences with lesbians These experiences make me question the whole "You were born gay" thing.

always pedents how gay someone is.

 

[Darat]

The way his friends talked who were gay and part of that dance team was very feminine. My brother ended up talking mildly feminine as well, and saying a lot of the little phrases that they said as well. The most logical assumption is that he picked up those feminine traits from the gays.

Your reasoning is very suspect. For example consider what you are saying about your brother, he would be someone that you would say was gay based on his behaviour, yet that very example shows that your reasoning about how gay men can be identified is flawed.

And so I can better understand you about this transfer of behavioural traits, you are saying when exposed to effeminate behaviour a non-homosexual man will pick up some of those traits?

 

[Quad4_72]

Your reasoning is very suspect. For example consider what you are saying about your brother, he would be someone that you would say was gay based on his behaviour, yet that very example shows that your reasoning about how gay men can be identified is flawed.

And so I can better understand you about this transfer of behavioural traits, you are saying when exposed to effeminate behaviour a non-homosexual man will pick up some of those traits?

Well now we are just getting into a completely different topic entirely. But you are an administrator and know best, so I will roll with it

Yes I think that if a straight man who is masculine starts hanging out with a majority of feminine gay men he is going to pick up some of those traits, as seen with my brother. I also think that the opposite would hold true, that if a feminine gay man starts hanging out with a bunch of masculine straight men he is likely to pick up on a few of the masculine traits.

 

[BadBoy]

Another good point. My brother for example acts mildly feminine at times. He participated in competitive ballroom dance and was on a dance team, so naturally he was exposed to plenty of gay people. He apparently picked up some of their traits, but he is completely straight.

Sorry mate, but this made me laugh out loud. Im not sure what to say.... I think Ill just list what you just said since it speaks for itself:

1. "My brother for example acts mildly feminine at times". Apart from cracking up, I have to ask that you define what that means. Theres plenty of women around that probably dont fit your idea of what "feminine" is.

2. "He participated in competitive ballroom dance and was on a dance team, so naturally he was exposed to plenty of gay people", you just couldnt make it up, only in real life hu ....

3. He apparently picked up some of their traits, but he is completely straight. This is real funny too. Which traits did he pick up? I just got to know.

Listen, I have taken no offence from you, and mean no offence. It doesnt sound like your homophobic, but you got some really funny ideas about gay people.

 

[arthwollipot]

I know very, very few (i.e. none) women who act at all like the stereotype of a so-called "effeminate" gay man; it's puzzling why such behaviour is considered feminine when very, very few women act in such a way.

This is exactly what I was just about to say. Quad is using 'feminine' when he really means 'camp'. Camp is, as far as I can tell, pretty unique to gay men. Most gay men camp some of the time - especially when they are in a very gay-friendly environment - but very few of them camp all of the time.

Quad is basically claiming here that he has a 95% success rate Gaydar. This is entirely unrealistic. If a man doesn't camp, then Quad assumes that he is straight. He is missing a whole lot of gay.

And he's not even considering bisexuals.