Merged [Ed] Get involved detecting the ade 651 detector / Jim McCormick arrested

Yeah. It sounds like a post by a shill or Mr. Jim himself, but could just as easily be a customer.

In this old article from Reason magazine about the Quadro Tracker has an explanation from Randi himself about how hard it is to change the mind of someone who has already been convinced dowsing works.

If there's a lesson to be learned from this, it goes beyond the old standard that people can be really dumb. From talking to Quadro believers, you can sense the sheer desperation of the fight against drugs and guns in the schools and in public that drives a man who might not be a total nincompoop to want to believe. Randi was on a crusade to convince Quadro buyers to renounce the device, but he didn't always succeed.

"Most of them get very angry at the suggestion they were fooled, and they probably never will change their mind," he says. "People have such faith in their own perception--they think what they see and hear necessarily represents the real world, but it's a very filtered view. That's why magicians are so successful. The spectator chooses to believe they are seeing what they think they are seeing."
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http://www.reason.com/news/show/30037.html
 
ADE651 sinks to a new low(if possible)

Latest update,
The lying scumbag who goes under the name of, Mr Jim,(ATSC) on his youtube website posted an advertisement linking his scam device, the ADE651 to the tragedy of July the 7th. The suggestion being that his device could have someway prevented that tragedy.

After a suitable exposure by Dubious Dick and myself, the offending advertisement has been removed.

Mr Jim and the others, please note any more lies you post on the web will be exposed.
 
Techowiz said:
Latest update,
The lying scumbag who goes under the name of, Mr Jim,(ATSC) on his youtube website posted an advertisement linking his scam device, the ADE651 to the tragedy of July the 7th. The suggestion being that his device could have someway prevented that tragedy.

After a suitable exposure by Dubious Dick and myself, the offending advertisement has been removed.

Mr Jim and the others, please note any more lies you post on the web will be exposed.
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I missed that- what was it?
 
Hi Longtabber, on checking the internet Dubious Dick and myself found that Mr Jim (ATSC fame) had posted an advertisement on youtube. The content of the advertisement was made up mostly of press coverage of the tragedy that was July the 7th in the UK, at then end of the advertisement was a video of the scam device, the ADE651, the suggestion being that if the ADE651 had been in operation in the UK it may have prevented the tragedy. Dubious Dick and myself both commented how sick the suggestion that the ADE could prevent anything regarding explosives in our respective bloggs, with Dubious following up his blog post with an email to Mr Jim, subsequently the offending advertisement has now been removed.
Nice to see you back in the forum have missed your knowledgeable input.
regards
 
Another updae from the blog of Mr Jim;

He has found a new phrase to describe the working of his ridiculous ADE651, apparently it now works on, 'Nuclear Quadrupole Resonance":jaw-dropp

Mr Jim how long has it taken you to find that phrase?
Better luck next time.
regards
 
I do like his comment-

Instead of me typing a whole lot of drivel (as you all seem to think I do), please go to your web browser and merely type in the following in your search engine......"NQR" or, "Nuclear Quadrupole Resonance"..........it is what we call EMA or Electro-Magnetic Attraction...............the principal by which OUR equipment works.
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Throw out a scientific phrase, without explaining at all how it relates to the ADE651. Googling NQR does not tell me how the transistor radio antenna is attracted to the explosives by EMA. How is a signal generated by the ADE651? How powerful is the signal and what is the frequency of it? Why does the ADE651 have to be held by a human? Every other NQR device can be set on a stand and operate just fine without a person holding it. In fact, most NQR devices are huge and heavy.

You can paint black and white spots on a pig, but it does not make it a dalmatian. And you can put any scientific words you can imagine on a web site about your dowsing rod, but it does not make it an explosives detector.
 
This is the worst part. Police and military officers are dying using these fraudulent pieces of junk. I have no sympathy for the peddlers of these cons. Even if they were initially sucked in themselves by the illusion that dowsing works, the fact they refuse to do the double-blind testing makes them guilty of willfully disregarding the possibility their equipment is costing lives.

They don't study engineering and use a theory like NQR to make a detector, they put a transistor radio antenna on a freely swinging pivot, and then try to rationalize why it seems to point at what they are looking for. As Randi has said, the dowsers NEED to believe. The device seems to work when the seller hides a sample from himself, and he knows he is not trying to cheat, so he NEEDS to try to come up with an explanation. NQR, EMA, NMR, electrostatics, resonance, quantum thingamajigs - you name it.

The SniffexQuestions blog recently posted an article from the Bangkok Post, describing the death of 3 officers using one of these dowsing rods.

http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-will-more-newspapers-follow-lead.html

When Faulty Technology can Cost Police Lives
By: Abdulloh Benjakat

Published: 28/06/2009 at 12:00 AM
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Three members of a border patrol police unit were killed in a blast while they were inspecting a suspected bomb planted on a road in Panare district. The GT 200 they were using apparently could not detect traces of explosives.
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At least the Bangkok Post can call a spade a spade. Meanwhile NPR is using kid gloves and not wanting to offend anyone so they call the purchase of millions of dollars of these dowsing rods in Iraq a debate. The users say they seem to work, but the experts say they do nothing. I guess we'll never know! Wrong! We do know! Equipment that only seems to work because of the same illusion as a Ouija board and has never passed a double blind test SHOULD NOT BE SOLD FOR EXPLOSIVES DETECTION!
 
Is the ADE no more?????

UPDATE******



The ATSC website has now been offline for a few weeks now. Hope we haven't caused Mr Jim any problems, is it too much to hope for that he has stopped selling his scam equipment.

regards
 
Great news

Having long hoped and worked ia breakthrough on this story, was just contacted by Rod Nordland of the NYT and the following front oage story was put out today. Hopefully the start of the real war against these guys who peddle these life threatening devices. Yes, take a bow Jim McCormick of ATSC with his Awfully Dubious Equipment, the ADE651. Also. Mr. Gary Bolton of Global Technical, with his Gloriously Tatty GT200. Yes, guys, you people who do the Alpha 6 as well, and the wunderbar David Vollmar of SNIFFEX Europe, inheritors or should I say reincarnators of the great tradition of SNIFFEX in the U.S.

So to all of you, better keep your heads low. You never know where our next volley will arrive from. Good on Rod for exposing t he ludicrous Iraqi General who doesn't are if it is science or magic! Wow. What a leader he is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/middleeast/04sensors.html?_r=1&hp
 
Full credit to Dubious Dick for bringing this about, I suspect the end of the ADE is near. I see the ATSC webiste is still down and the usually vocal Mr Jim did not return any calls, oh dear whatever could be the matter:D
Once again well done DD and of course, The New York Times.
regards
 
DD,

If your efforts got the NYT to investigate this scam, then I applaud your success!

The more people who know about these dowsing rods being used under various names to look for explosives and drugs, the better chance we have of eliminating their use. Whether it is being illegally searched in Mexico for drugs or killed by a bomb in Thailand or Iraq the public and governments need to be warned.

I just want to say yea! A little bit of progress in the fight! :D
 
From the NYT article:

On Tuesday, a guard and a driver for The New York Times, both licensed to carry firearms, drove through nine police checkpoints that were using the device. None of the checkpoint guards detected the two AK-47 rifles and ammunition inside the vehicle.
During an interview on Tuesday, General Jabiri challenged a Times reporter to test the ADE 651, placing a grenade and a machine pistol in plain view in his office. Despite two attempts, the wand did not detect the weapons when used by the reporter but did so each time it was used by a policeman.
“You need more training,” the general said.
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Biff Starbuck said:
The police in Thailand seem to be buying the Alpha 6 dowsing rods to find drugs. 500,000 baht looks like $14,000 or 10,500 Euros each. I think that might be a new record for these pieces of junk.

Alpha 6 on sniffexquestions blog

Province to spend Bt1m on drug detection technology
TAH CHAT CHAI, PHUKET: Phuket Governor Wichai Phraisa-ngop has approved the purchase of two state-of-the-art detection devices, one for explosives and the other for contraband. The devices will be used at the Tah Chat Chai checkpoint.

The Alpha 6 detectors, which cost around 500,000 baht each, use “molecular resonance” technology to detect the presence of drugs and explosives from up to 300 meters away....​
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According to the Times article, the Iraqi government quadrupled the old record, paying $60,000 each for some of the ADE651 dowsing rods. Funny thing that ATSC UK stopped answering the phone. Refund? What's a refund?
 
Still all quiet at ATSC, website 'STILL under repair', telephones now disconnected, whatever could be the problem?:D
regards
 
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