Merged [Ed] Get involved detecting the ade 651 detector / Jim McCormick arrested

Are they claiming that it works on a paranormal level?

I think they're claiming that it's scientific. From the NYT article:

ATSC’s promotional material claims that its device can find guns, ammunition, drugs, truffles, human bodies and even contraband ivory at distances up to a kilometer, underground, through walls, underwater or even from airplanes three miles high. The device works on “electrostatic magnetic ion attraction,” ATSC says.
To detect materials, the operator puts an array of plastic-coated cardboard cards with bar codes into a holder connected to the wand by a cable. “It would be laughable,” Colonel Bidlack said, “except someone down the street from you is counting on this to keep bombs off the streets.”

Proponents of the wand often argue that errors stem from the human operator, who they say must be rested, with a steady pulse and body temperature, before using the device.
Then the operator must walk in place a few moments to “charge” the device, since it has no battery or other power source, and walk with the wand at right angles to the body. If there are explosives or drugs to the operator’s left, the wand is supposed to swivel to the operator’s left and point at them.
If, as often happens, no explosives or weapons are found, the police may blame a false positive on other things found in the car, like perfume, air fresheners or gold fillings in the driver’s teeth.

I love how it will detect guns, drugs, truffles, bodies, ivory, perfume, air fresheners, and gold fillings--but not everything else. What is it about the "ions" of those things that's common, but different than everything else in the world?
 
The Dallas Morning News, which did a great expose on the similar Sniffex dowsing rod, and also used Randi as a reference, has a blurb in the editorial section about the ADE651.

Article

Satisfaction guaranteed , or your money back

Someone in Iraq apparently has been watching those 3 a.m. infomercials where the fake audience erupts in applause while an enthusiastic guy demonstrates the latest in divining rod technology: "It's the ADE 651. It detects bombs! It detects nitroglycerine, morphine, cocaine, heroin and more! You might expect to pay $200,000 or more for this amazing technology, but if you order now, it's yours for the low, low price of only $16,000." Iraqi police swear by this potentially deadly quackery. The government reportedly has purchased $85 million of the devices, which offer all the bomb-detecting precision of a Ouija board. Defenders of the manufacturer, ATSC in Britain, insist they've never found a dissatisfied customer. Perhaps they haven't checked the morgues.
 
Hi Jimtron,


Jimtron states
'I think they're claiming that it's scientific. From the NYT article:


Quote:
ATSC’s promotional material claims that its device can find guns, ammunition, drugs, truffles, human bodies and even contraband ivory at distances up to a kilometer, underground, through walls, underwater or even from airplanes three miles high. The device works on “electrostatic magnetic ion attraction,” ATSC says.'


They have changed the working principle to:
Nuclear Quadrupole Resonance
Apparently electrostatic magnetic ion attraction was just not sexy sounding enough!!!!
regards
 
Iraqis spent $80million on ADE651 bomb detectors.
The Times, UK
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6935574.ece

Jim McCormick, the managing director of ATSC Ltd, a former Merseyside police officer, developed the device ten years ago despite having no scientific or technical background.
He insists that ATSC “only” received $12 million, and the price paid was inflated by commissions and training courses for the operators. He said: “We have been dealing with doubters for ten years. One of the problems we have is that the machine does look a little primitive. We are working on a new model that has flashing lights.” Another reason for the doubts is that apart from the aerial the device contains no working parts at all.
 
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'commissions' is that business speak for bribes?
Just cannot wait for the upgraded model with, 'flashing lights', suppose it will be a lot more expensive though:rolleyes:
regards
 
I came across this story about a week ago and just couldn't believe it. It blows my mind that such an amount of money was spent on something that is totally useless. Of course the flashing lights will make it completely legit.....
 
Looks like the innocent public are once again victims of stupidity and greed, as over 120 are killed and over 500 injured in Baghdad bombs (see BBC Lead).

How are these bombers getting cars full of explosives past the checkpoints? The Iraqi police are using incredibly expensive dowsing rods to check them...
 
dlorde,

Spot on. This scam has now cost nearly 250 lives in Iraq. When will they realise, as the bombers have, that it doesn't work?
regards
 
The bombers were probably sold an equally expensive scrambler to disguise their bombs so they could get past the detectors.
 
I love how it will detect guns, drugs, truffles, bodies, ivory, perfume, air fresheners, and gold fillings--but not everything else. What is it about the "ions" of those things that's common, but different than everything else in the world?
If I remember right, they say you have to insert a special card into the unit for the specific material you want to detect.

As you can guess, they’re probably just plain old carboard.

I’d love to make a video spoofing these devices; at some point, I’d try a hockey card in mine.
 
Oh no another bloody one,

David Vollmar formerly of Sniffex Plus, has now brought out another scam device now calling it the HEDD1.
Check out the link below:

http://www.unival-group.com/hedd1.htm

The smell of easy money must be overpowering.
A verry happy Christmas to all and a wonderful new year, and let us see how difficult we can make life for the scammers next year.
regards
 
I have a proposed test for these devices:

Place the operator (the person selling the device) in the middle of a circle. Place 3 identical boxes on the perimeter of the circle, equally spaced. One of the boxes will contain 10Kg of explosives wired to a pressure plate so that it will detonate if moved. The operator simply has to pick up the two empty boxes to pass the test. The size of the circle and type of explosive will be consistant with the claimed abilities of the tested device.

- David
 
Head of ATSC 'bomb detector' company arrested

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6997859.ece

The boss of a British company that has sold million of dollars worth of “bomb detectors” to Iraq’s security forces has been arrested on suspicion of fraud.

Jim McCormick, 53, the managing director of ATSC which is based in a former dairy in Sparkford, Somerset, has been questioned by detectives from Avon and Somerset Police after a complaint that he misrepresented the devices.

In November, Mr McCormick, a former Merseyside police officer, told The Times that his devices, which consist of little more than a telescopic antenna on a molded plastic handle, are able to detect explosives in the same way as a dowsing rod finds water.

Thousands of the devices are in use at military and police check points across Baghdad where they are used to search vehicles and pedestrians for explosives. In recent months hundreds of people have died after car bombers were able to penetrate the security cordon supposed to protect the centre of the Iraqi capital.
(Continued)

They should have noted that not only have hundreds of people died after car bombers penetrated security cordons, but hundreds of people have allegedly died after bombers penetrated security cordons using these "detectors."
 
Hats off to all gentlemen and ladies on this forum - what a great thread, and judging by the last post, a great result! Makes me proud to be a JREF member.
 
Drat, I thought I'd be first!

Good result :)
I like the quote:
McCormick hit back, however, telling the paper that “we have been dealing with doubters for ten years. One of the problems we have is that the machine does look a little primitive. We are working on a new model that has flashing lights.”

Because flashing lights make everything work better don't they?

Jim
 

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