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Early elections predictions

Who will win US presidential elections of 2024 ?

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Trausti said:
If you're running for the highest office in the land, please don't use your sex or race to avoid criticism of your policies (or, in this case, lack thereof).
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This coming from a person supporting somebody who is using out and out bigotry in his campaing.
We are know where you are coming from, guy.
 
angrysoba said:
If what you are saying is true, then we would have little idea how many states each candidate will win. We would see huge surprises in the elections themselves.

In fact, we don't really see that. The "surprises" we see are relative, but they are almost always within the margin of error of the polls.
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But as I keep saying the polls are being corrected to account for the fact that red states aren't holding democratic elections under any sense of the word. Where we would be seeing surprises would be if the polling were honest and accurate, as what occurred in 2000 which showed that Al Gore had a steady lead in Florida all through polling and the exit polls only for Shrub to "win" the state because his brother controlled the count.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
But as I keep saying the polls are being corrected to account for the fact that red states aren't holding democratic elections under any sense of the word.
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To be honest I still think the red states would still support Trump even if some of the voting shenanigans did not occur. (I think the states with the worst election abuses also tend to the the deepest red.)

Gulliver Foyle said:
Where we would be seeing surprises would be if the polling were honest and accurate, as what occurred in 2000 which showed that Al Gore had a steady lead in Florida all through polling and the exit polls only for Shrub to "win" the state because his brother controlled the count.
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this is a much more complex issue. We have heard the narrative that "Gore won but republicans stopped counting". But It is not that simple.

Whether Bush or Gore won depended on several factors: whether the entire state is recounted or just the districts Gore requested recounts on, how pregnant/hanging chads are counted, etc. Even if they let the vote count proceed, the results could have gone to either candidate depending on what combination of factors you choose.

That doesn't mean there weren't problems... the "butterfly ballot" (that probably lead to people incorrectly voting for Nader) was a bad design, there may have been registration issues, etc.
 
Segnosaur said:
To be honest I still think the red states would still support Trump even if some of the voting shenanigans did not occur. (I think the states with the worst election abuses also tend to the the deepest red.)



this is a much more complex issue. We have heard the narrative that "Gore won but republicans stopped counting". But It is not that simple.

Whether Bush or Gore won depended on several factors: whether the entire state is recounted or just the districts Gore requested recounts on, how pregnant/hanging chads are counted, etc. Even if they let the vote count proceed, the results could have gone to either candidate depending on what combination of factors you choose.

That doesn't mean there weren't problems... the "butterfly ballot" (that probably lead to people incorrectly voting for Nader) was a bad design, there may have been registration issues, etc.
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The problem Gore wasn't willing to contest wasn't to do with the recounts, but with the at least 80,000 voters who were illegally stripped of their right to vote because they had a likely minority name that was targeted for the republican's voter disenfranchisement effort.

The vote was crooked from before day one.
 
Georg said:
You are either joking, or that is by far the dumbest thing I read all week.
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Anyone who genuinely buys into Trump's pretense that his shambolic rants are actually genius-level, complicated "weaves" is definitely in denial of an obvious truth. The man is a moron who can't start and then finish expressing a thought without feeling the need to express every other thought, on or off point, that crosses his mind in between; if intelligence is characterized by anything, it's discipline, and Trump has none. He's the epitome of the proverbial stupid person who's trying too hard to sound like a smart one. I've never really gotten into the whole debate about his mental health because, while it might be relevant in some contexts, it just doesn't seem necessary to explaining why he so often sounds like an idiot- it's because he is one.
 
My Prediction is that we will be lucky if we know by Christmas who won, given the inevitable shenanigans and lawsuits. .
 
PA Governor is a Democrat.

WI Governor is a Democrat.

MI Governor is a Democrat.

There will be no stolen election in these states. MAGA cant do it without the Governor.
 
turingtest said:
Anyone who genuinely buys into Trump's pretense that his shambolic rants are actually genius-level, complicated "weaves" is definitely in denial of an obvious truth. The man is a moron who can't start and then finish expressing a thought without feeling the need to express every other thought, on or off point, that crosses his mind in between; if intelligence is characterized by anything, it's discipline, and Trump has none. He's the epitome of the proverbial stupid person who's trying too hard to sound like a smart one. I've never really gotten into the whole debate about his mental health because, while it might be relevant in some contexts, it just doesn't seem necessary to explaining why he so often sounds like an idiot- it's because he is one.
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The problem with Dump supporters is that I can virtually never make out when they're playing dumb and when they're actually serious. I guess my problem with interacting with them is that I think I've got too much faith in my fellow humans' knowledge and intelligence. I see someone describe Dump's cognitive and psychological decline as a 'weave' and my impression is they can't possibly be that stupid. Same with climate deniers who after several decades of climate debate still yell 'But climate has always been changing!!!' as if it's some kind of stupid gotcha no one outside their echo chambers had thought of. I just write them off as manipulative when in reality it's possible they've actually lived deep under a rock for several decades and do in fact think that other people don't know that the climate is ever-changing.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
The problem with Dump supporters is that I can virtually never make out when they're playing dumb and when they're actually serious. I guess my problem with interacting with them is that I think I've got too much faith in my fellow humans' knowledge and intelligence. I see someone describe Dump's cognitive and psychological decline as a 'weave' and my impression is they can't possibly be that stupid. Same with climate deniers who after several decades of climate debate still yell 'But climate has always been changing!!!' as if it's some kind of stupid gotcha no one outside their echo chambers had thought of. I just write them off as manipulative when in reality it's possible they've actually lived deep under a rock for several decades and do in fact think that other people don't know that the climate is ever-changing.
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With Trump supporters who cling to the "weave" fiction, I suspect that most of them are not stupid at all and do know better and are just defending an investment. My late wife was kind of in that camp, though she passed long before all this latest nonsense- definitely not dumb, but felt she had to take whatever comfort she could get once Trump was her party's candidate. She vocally despised Trump right up until he won the GOP nomination in 2016; then, as a good conservative, she felt the need to decide he wasn't so bad after all. It was never my business to know how she voted, and I never asked, but I hoped she would at least split her tickets; and, honestly, in Mississippi, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference (not to mention that, if she didn't, her votes and mine essentially cancelled each other out anyway).

For climate change deniers, I would guess that most of them really are that dumb- it's part of what made them deniers in the first place.
 
Trausti said:
If you're running for the highest office in the land, please don't use your sex or race to avoid criticism of your policies (or, in this case, lack thereof).
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So, don't use "I'm a rich white guy running against a dirty ******!" as your campaign message?
 
If GOP wins House and Senate, they could vote to reject all the swing states Harris won. And make Trump the winner.

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The Atheist said:
I've been saying it for weeks, so I'll say it again - Harris in a landslide, as in 300+ EC votes.
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Yes, this. I too have been saying that for weeks.
Plus I predict the dems take the house by a wide margin, add to their senate majority, pick up state houses and make gains in Texas and Florida.

We may even know the winner on election night.
 
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