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Merged Due process in the US

Jack by the hedge said:
Do Greyhound have a special dispensation or does this "of course not" apply generally to drivers of vehicles transporting people around within the US?
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Interstate drivers are not required and have no obligation, legal or moral, to check the legal status of passengers.

Got a ticket? Welcome aboard.
 
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have you considered asking or in other ways finding out more about how things work before making declarative statements about how things work.

it goes back to this whole credibility thing
 
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Hercules56 said:
Wrong again.

Everyone in the USA has a right to Due Process.
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Read your OP again. He hasn't even been tried yet, let alone convicted, but you're already declaring that he's "bad news" and a "wife-beating, gang-banger associating loser" without even having seen the evidence against him. Certainly doesn't sound like someone who sincerely believes the highlighted.
 
Hercules56 said:
Its not their responsibility to know or not know. All that matters is if they have a valid ticket.
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Oh who the hell cares? Garcia is basically accused of being a glorified Uber driver, giving a lift to some border jumpers who needed a ride. To call this human trafficking, like he was in the slave trade, is a MAGAmania talking point and not a damn thing more.
 
Hercules56 said:
Interstate drivers are not required and have no obligation, legal or moral, to check the legal status of passengers.
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So someone who was charged with transporting people who were illegal immigrants within the US would not have had any obligation to establish their immigration status?

Seems to be an odd thing to be charged with, in that case.
 
Court and plaintiff not done with wrongful deportation. DOJ rushing to new charges.
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Without knowing any details of this specific case, is this not standard practice in the US criminal justice system? File overblown charges with a view to plea bargaining down to something less heinous. On the face of it everybody wins: the prosecutors get a conviction, the defendant is relieved not to be going to the chair for dropping a piece of litter, and the court doesn't have to waste time and money actually holding a fair trial.
 
Tero said:
Court and plaintiff not done with wrongful deportation.
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They very much want to be done because they don't want to have to reveal the details of the U.S. government's arrangement with the Salvadoran government. The suspicion is that if the details were known, they would reveal a mechanism by which anyone renditioned to CECOT may be returned, as was Abrego Garcia. A finding that the U.S. still has constructive custody of CECOT detainees would seriously undermine the Trump administration's power to say they have no authority over detainees in foreign countries.

The crime-fraud exception the defense alleging seems like a long shot. The allegation is that the Dept. of Justice conspired with the Dept. of State to disobey the court's order to return Abrego Garcia. Here, the DOJ is the lawyer for the DOS, and they ordinarily would not be allowed to conspire to break the law (i.e., the court's order). But the statement that they are working on solutions that mean Abrego Garcia would not need to be returned can have an explanation that comports with the law (e.g., other motions before the judge, appellate review), so I don't expect that to stick.
 
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