• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
"protected citizen" LOL!!!
Click to expand...

pfhahahahaha this you, buddy?:
Hercules56 said:
But he was protected from deportation.
Click to expand...

So you'd say he was a protected citizen? Are you bitching about the word citizen?

Every point you try to bring up here gets slapped down repeatedly. Let me correct some of your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ nonsense.

1) The officer that accused Garcia of being in a gang wasn't an expert. By your own ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ words he wasn't an expert. He relied on testimony from...whoever the ◊◊◊◊.
2) That officer was involved in some pretty shady ◊◊◊◊. I wouldn't count him as a reliable cop, let alone a gang expert, which is what you've been pining for this whole time.
3) The judges only go off of the information provided to them by the officers, which we know wasn't reliable because the cop wasn't. The federal judge was forcing Garcia to prove a negative. How does one prove they aren't in a gang? I know! By not getting in any trouble or gang related activity? Does that ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ work?
4) You seem to have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ issues taking a random, unnamed, anonymous MS-13 gang members word that Garcia was in the gang, but don't seem to want to take Garcia's word that he wasn't.
5) You're using the tattoos of evidence of something, but now the claim of the tattoos is falling apart. Just a page ago you guys said that Garcia was a "high ranking member" because he had a tattoo of a horn. Now that no longer applies, right? Your "new" line of "evidence" claims that Garcia was a low ranking member, if a member at all, right?
6) Hanging out looking for work at a home deport doesn't constitute hanging out with gang members. Since you have no other evidence of him hanging out with gangs the only evidence you have is that he was detained at Home Depot, faced no charges, got protection from deportation, and lived without issue in the US for good long while.

While I'm completely convinced that you aren't arguing in good faith, and you're just being disingenuous to get attention, others seem to think you are arguing in good faith. Let my list above sink in for a bit before more bull ◊◊◊◊ is brought to the table.
 
Hercules56 said:
Read the court records, I posted both.
Click to expand...
Those immigration court records do not prove a crime. Merely the likelihood of events is enough to deport. But not to send to any jail.

In 2019 the last judge disagreed with all the Home Depot garbage:The judge wrote that Abrego Garcia provided "substantial documentation" in favor of his claims and that his testimony was "internally consistent, externally consistent", and "appeared free of embellishment"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Kilmar_Abrego_Garcia#cite_note-Parloff-28"
 
Last edited:
Jack by the hedge said:
The error, in this case defying a court order, is an abuse of process.

He's in prison on American orders. Nobody else has imprisoned him. The Salvadorean legal system has not imprisoned him. The US government's contractor has imprisoned him on US government instruction. Jurisdiction of the country where the prison stands is irrelevant since the legal system of that country is not involved.

The remedy is obviously not for the US to order the Salvadorean courts to release him because they are not holding him. The remedy is for the US government to cease telling its contractor to hold him in prison.
Click to expand...
Hmm, it appears the Alien and Sedition Act gives President the authority to detain aliens from an enemy country, accused of invasion.

Doesn't say anything about putting them in a foreign prison where they have no Due Process.

Seems to me this is not an issue of Due Process, but violating the Alien & Sedition Act.
 
Hercules56 said:
Hmm, it appears the Alien and Sedition Act gives President the authority to detain aliens from an enemy country, accused of invasion.

Doesn't say anything about putting them in a foreign prison where they have no Due Process.

Seems to me this is not an issue of Due Process, but violating the Alien & Sedition Act.
Click to expand...

The guy is not a citizen of an enemy country. (Trump is doing deals with prisons there. Doing deals with enemy countries sounds like treason. Lucky for him they're not an enemy country.)
 
Hercules56 said:
You incorrectly identifying him as a US citizen, is a very big deal.

It was in error, yes?
Click to expand...

Weird, the White House referred to him a citizen:
The White House has said it can't force the Salvadoran government to release one of its citizens, while El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele called the idea of Abrego Garcia's release "preposterous."
Click to expand...

Not that it's actually important. I mean, it is to you, but I've seen the ◊◊◊◊ you'll unskeptically believe without any hesitation. As such I don't really value your assessment of what is and isn't a "very big deal".
Darat said:
Can I have a pony?
Click to expand...

I can't give you one but I hear Elon will provide one for services rendered.
 
It's Biden's fault Donald had to break the law and send people to foreign slave labour camps.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
How can Biden let Millions of Criminals into our Country, totally unchecked and unvetted, with no Legal authority to do so, yet I, in order to make up for this assault to our Nation, am expected to go through a lengthy Legal process, separately, for each and every Criminal Alien. As usual, TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS, only leading to the Complete and Total Destruction of the U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Click to expand...
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's Biden's fault Donald had to break the law and send people to foreign slave labour camps.
Click to expand...
Of course it is, just as it's Biden's fault that gas just went up another 30 cents a gallon, grocery prices are higher, everyone's retirement has been decimated, the constitution has been shredded, war is still raging in Ukraine and Gaza, dollar is at a 4 year low...etc.
The only thing of interest left in this specific case is whether actual contempt charges will be brought in an attempt to compel Trump to obey the courts.
 
ponderingturtle said:
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

We have already deported people to hellish foreign prisons with out due process so no you are again totally wrong. See

The Trump administration says that it mistakenly deported an immigrant with protected status but that courts are powerless to order his return.

But hey if he was a citizen it would be totally different and the courts would somehow get thvat power or something.
Click to expand...
The USA deported thousands of citizens to Mexico in the '30s. It'll happen again.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The guy is not a citizen of an enemy country. (Trump is doing deals with prisons there. Doing deals with enemy countries sounds like treason. Lucky for him they're not an enemy country.)
Click to expand...
Yes, the deportation was in error. And in violation of the Alien & Sedition Act. Trump was ordered to cease the deportations and he violated the order.
 
catsmate said:
Right....
You did notice Trump stuffing your Supreme Court?
Click to expand...
I seem to remember our side demanding that a certain someone accept 40 odd federal court decisions that he did not like, in the name of democracy and the US Constitution. Are we now fair-weather supporters of the judicial system?
 
IMG_7016.jpeg
US Citizen re-entering lucky enough not to be jailed. My guess: this is an attack on birth right citizenship.
(the poster took out the post so I can't ask her details...she will get back on his fate)
 
Last edited:
Hercules56 said:
There were no criminal charges.

He was accused of being an illegal alien (TRUE/UNCONTESTED)

He was accused of being a member of an illegal foreign gang. Judge agreed charge was validated.

Garcia contested this, and a second judge rejected his appeal. But he was protected from deportation.

ICE incorrectly deported him. In error.

So, where is the missing Due Process?
Click to expand...
Its RIGHT THERE in what you said. Right between ",,,he was protected from deportation" and "Ice incorrectly deported him."

It doesn't matter whether you believe he was a gang member, or for that matter whether what you believe is true. And it doesn't matter whether you believe he should not have been protected from deportation, nor whether what you believe is true. If he was protected from deportation and was incorrectly deported, that is where you will find the missing Due Process!

And that does not include the fact that he was not simply deported, but was imprisoned as part of the operation. He was not let go in El Salvador and then picked up and imprisoned by El Salvador. He was sent by the US to be imprisoned in El Salvador. I don't know where you expect to find due process in that, but if you do, let us know.
 
bruto said:
Its RIGHT THERE in what you said. Right between ",,,he was protected from deportation" and "Ice incorrectly deported him."

It doesn't matter whether you believe he was a gang member, or for that matter whether what you believe is true. And it doesn't matter whether you believe he should not have been protected from deportation, nor whether what you believe is true. If he was protected from deportation and was incorrectly deported, that is where you will find the missing Due Process!

And that does not include the fact that he was not simply deported, but was imprisoned as part of the operation. He was not let go in El Salvador and then picked up and imprisoned by El Salvador. He was sent by the US to be imprisoned in El Salvador. I don't know where you expect to find due process in that, but if you do, let us know.
Click to expand...
It's not a complex concept
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom