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Merged Due process in the US

Andy_Ross said:
◊◊◊◊ the courts and ◊◊◊◊ due process it seems.
Plus back to the emptying insane asylums in to the USA

Trump: "We're getting them out. And a judge can't say, 'No, you have to have a trial. The trial is gonna two take years.' No. We're gonna have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed to do what we're entitled to do."

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STFU, felon.
 
Andy_Ross said:
◊◊◊◊ the courts and ◊◊◊◊ due process it seems.
Plus back to the emptying insane asylums in to the USA

Trump: "We're getting them out. And a judge can't say, 'No, you have to have a trial. The trial is gonna two take years.' No. We're gonna have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed to do what we're entitled to do."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1914791998877295053
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But you are NOT entitled to do that, Donny.
 
Clutch Cargo said:
It may not matter to you but it matters to me. I don't ignore my prejudices, I nurture them.
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I realize I'll need to wait at least a fortnight for a response, but Cambridge Dictionary defines 'prejudice' as "an unfair or unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge". You're literally telling us that you deliberately nurture your ignorance. Do you really? Or was that just a statement you calculated would cause shock in order to get attention?
 
IIRC, Trump (or, at least, his lawyers) has always been the absolute master of using "due process" to avoid or bog down all legal processes and penalties. He simply drags out every legal challenge he faces using requests for dismissal, appeals, and appeals against appeals, and going to higher courts, yet more appeals, and "lawyer got sick", and all sorts of other legal floofage so that he effectively tires out or times out his opponents. And even if cases eventually go against him, he appeals sentences and monetary penalties, starting the ball of wax...and the clock...rolling again.

And yet he won't let Garcia even get to first base on this legal process of even having an initial review...

What a See You Next Tuesday.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
It certainly sounds more alarming when you put that slant on it rather than the way you expressed it before: "he just hung out with them". I don't know where on the scale of culpability to put the guy. He hung out with other Salvadoreans seemingly looking for work. Or maybe selling cannabis or some other nefarious thing, IDK. The other two were both apparently gang members. They regarded him as perhaps somewhere between a 'civilian' but an okay guy to hang with or a recruit but not an initiate into their gang.

He could certainly have chosen better friends. Whether they were friends or colleagues I'm not sure. Maybe he wasn't sure either.
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"I want to be recognized as a good citizen but also associate with criminals and get caught up in criminal activities" seems like an automatic deportation to me.
 
bruto said:
I feel I should be bundling posts here, but I'll throw in another. The argument fails on several grounds. First that no crime should deprive anyone of due process. Second, that at the time of the deportation he was not here illegally, no matter what his history, and third that he was not just deported. He was not just sent back to El Salvador and dropped at the airport or something. Even if doing so would have resulted in his immediate arrest and imprisonment by the El Salvador authorities, it is simply not the same thing as what happened. He, and others like him, were extra-judicially convicted and sentenced to imprisonment in El Salvador. The decision to convict and imprison him was made in the United States by the United States.

Hercules has asserted that Garcia is the wrong person to defend, in part because he's such a bad guy that the public will reject the defense and the cause of justice will be set back. The remedy for this seems to be to let this one go, and try next time. I think that's a serious mistake. Next times are tentative and tend to stretch into more next times until it's too late.
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They weren't convicted, they were falsely imprisoned under a procedure the original nazis called preventative detention.
 
Norman Alexander said:
But Trump is a US citizen!

No, wait...

That's not a problem any more. Carry on!
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Certainly his wife must fall under such provisions. Worked as an illegal immigrant and now associates with at least one known convicted criminal.

It also follows that when Trump gets rid of birthright citizenship her anchor kid should be deported alongside her.
 
theprestige said:
"I want to be recognized as a good citizen but also associate with criminals and get caught up in criminal activities" seems like an automatic deportation to me.
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We've already gone over this.
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He wasn't caught up in any criminal activities. The only "association with criminals" he had was standing outside a Home Depot looking for work 6 years ago, which isn't associating at all since he can't control who stands outside of Home Deport. He went to his court appearances after his arrest and followed the process, including getting a job, paying taxes, raising a family.

Can you ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ conservatives at least be consistent with your God damned whining? "They can stay if they are here legally", ok well he is. "Well they need to pay taxes", he does. Just say you'll cry about it no matter what, at least be honest about it.
 
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plague311 said:
He wasn't caught up in any criminal activities. The only "association with criminals" he had was standing outside a Home Depot looking for work 6 years ago, which isn't associating at all since he can't control who stands outside of Home Deport. He went to his court appearances after his arrest and followed the process, including getting a job, paying taxes, raising a family.
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I must remind people that the charge was loitering. I struggle to think of a milder criminal offense.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I see we're in the classic ISF cycle of someone making a claim, having it refuted, and going, "lol, I don't understand, please explain it to me again!" for several pages.
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Every legal expert: He was denied due process.

Random crank on the internet, over and over again until the heat death of the universe: No he wasn’t!
 
Darat said:
Certainly his wife must fall under such provisions. Worked as an illegal immigrant and now associates with at least one known convicted criminal.

It also follows that when Trump gets rid of birthright citizenship her anchor kid should be deported alongside her.
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As far as I know, fearless leader has not yet been flamboyantly crazy enough to count children as "birthright citizens" if one of their parents is a citizen. So in this case, presumably after Trump has passed a paternity test and produced his long form birth certificate, his kid could stay.

Mind you, as things are going, the very idea of citizenship is in danger. Trump's proposals regarding not only birthright citizenship and arbitrary withdrawal of naturalization, but of deporting native born citizens will make it meaningless.
 
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