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Merged Due process in the US

And that does not include the fact that he was not simply deported, but was imprisoned as part of the operation. He was not let go in El Salvador and then picked up and imprisoned by El Salvador. He was sent by the US to be imprisoned in El Salvador. I don't know where you expect to find due process in that, but if you do, let us know.
And I should add to this point: @Hercules56 You keep asking what due process he was denied. It is in ill-formed question. There is no "proper due process" for being shipped to an overseas concentration camp. It is beyond what the government is permitted to do in any circumstance.
 
Its RIGHT THERE in what you said. Right between ",,,he was protected from deportation" and "Ice incorrectly deported him."

It doesn't matter whether you believe he was a gang member, or for that matter whether what you believe is true. And it doesn't matter whether you believe he should not have been protected from deportation, nor whether what you believe is true. If he was protected from deportation and was incorrectly deported, that is where you will find the missing Due Process!...
Wrong.

He was not deported due to a lack of Due Process. He was deported due to an administrative error, as correctly claimed by the govt.

But now he is not being returned to the USA because Trump is in contempt of court and in violation of the Alien & Sedition Act.
 
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And I should add to this point: @Hercules56 You keep asking what due process he was denied. It is in ill-formed question. There is no "proper due process" for being shipped to an overseas concentration camp. It is beyond what the government is permitted to do in any circumstance.
If that is the case, than we should not be discussing the Garcia issue in this thread as it has nothing to do with a lack of Due Process.
 
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US Citizen re-entering lucky enough not to be jailed.
That certainly is terrible if it's true, but I'd want to see a little further evidence and a little more followup. Among other things, I don't know of any way the authorities would know, from the passport, about the citizenship of his parents.

That's not to say I am in any way sure it did not happen. The worst keeps getting worse. If it didn't happen yesterday, it just might tomorrow.
 
Wrong.

He was not deported due to a lack of Due Process. He was deported due to an administrative error, as correctly claimed by the govt.

But now he is not being returned to the USA because Trump is in contempt of court and in violation of the Alien & Sedition Act.
Nitpicking, I think, at best. If due process is supposed to occur, and it does not, what part of "lack" is unfulfilled? Administrative error inherently omits due process when it should occur, and the contemptuous refusal to amend the error inherently denies due process when it should be corrected. There's no due process hiding in there.
 
Nitpicking, I think, at best. If due process is supposed to occur, and it does not, what part of "lack" is unfulfilled? Administrative error inherently omits due process when it should occur, and the contemptuous refusal to amend the error inherently denies due process when it should be corrected. There's no due process hiding in there.
No, in this case the administrative error totally ignores the Due Process that Garcia received when the judge ordered his deportation to El Salvador be suspended indefinitely. This case is not about a lack of Due Process, its about an administration refusing to reverse an obvious mistake.
 
No, in this case the administrative error totally ignores the Due Process that Garcia received when the judge ordered his deportation to El Salvador be suspended indefinitely. This case is not about a lack of Due Process, its about an administration refusing to reverse an obvious mistake.
You keep asserting "mistake." There's been remarkably little reason to believe that the "mistake" wasn't completely intentional, though, and plenty of reason to believe that the Trump Administration did it as part of an effort to simply bypass due process for many and pave the way for more violations of due process. The case is very much about whether the Trump Administration can get away with denying due process on some arbitrary pretext. That due process isn't the sole issue at hand doesn't even remotely negate that, squirm as you may.

You've passed beyond simply adopting the thoroughly dishonest framing of those trying to take away our right to due process and replace it with a privilege easily removed at whim now.
 
You keep asserting "mistake." There's been remarkably little reason to believe that the "mistake" wasn't completely intentional, though, and plenty of reason to believe that the Trump Administration did it as part of an effort to simply bypass due process for many and pave the way for more violations of due process...
No, if the mistake was intentional it was because Trump doesn't want possible illegal alien gang-members receiving favors from the USA.
 
I see we're in the classic ISF cycle of someone making a claim, having it refuted, and going, "lol, I don't understand, please explain it to me again!" for several pages.

Yeah, I think the conversation has run its course and I don't believe it to be a good faith argument either. As dirtywick said, no one is presenting anything new. It's just hercules getting people to respond by making unsupported claims based on nothing more than loosely connected dots where none should exist. I think I'll follow the others and show my way out to the door. This conversation is useless as hell.
 
You keep asserting "mistake." There's been remarkably little reason to believe that the "mistake" wasn't completely intentional, though, and plenty of reason to believe that the Trump Administration did it as part of an effort to simply bypass due process for many and pave the way for more violations of due process. The case is very much about whether the Trump Administration can get away with denying due process on some arbitrary pretext. That due process isn't the sole issue at hand doesn't even remotely negate that, squirm as you may.

You've passed beyond simply adopting the thoroughly dishonest framing of those trying to take away our right to due process and replace it with a privilege easily removed at whim now.

here's the thing about that too is that every due process violation is an administrative mistake. it's an administrative process that everyone is due, by constitutional rights, and if you make a mistake in that process that you're due, it's been violated. so to categorize it as simply an administrative mistake and not a real violation of due process is a nonsensical argument.

and if anyone on the fence about it has any interest in whether or not this was a mistake born of malicious intent or simply incompetence, well we got a long history of both in this administration, and you could find plenty of evidence to support either. maybe the fact that they keep trying to continue these illegal deportations despite numerous court orders, not to mention that they immediately botched them from the gate, to stop might clue some of us in as to what they want and why.
 
No, if the mistake was intentional it was because Trump doesn't want possible illegal alien gang-members receiving favors from the USA.
By "favors," it appears you mean due process. An intentional mistake intended to make "possible" certain and to bypass due process. If an operation occurs in which the thing desired does not happen, it is not happening. The exact mechanism or phrasing whereby it doesn't happen ceases to matter if it doesnt, then doesn't again, and doesn't still, and never will.
 
No, if the mistake was intentional it was because Trump doesn't want possible illegal alien gang-members receiving favors from the USA.
It was because Trump wants to punish as many brown people as he can. It has nothing to do with legality, or gangs, or crime. It's just another declaration to MAGA that White Supremacy is what Trump's Regime is about.
 
Another "mistake."

An American citizen born and raised in California is unsettled after receiving an e-mail from the US Department of Homeland Security ordering him to leave the country "immediately."

Aldo Martinez-Gomez received the DHS notice on April 11, threatening "criminal prosecution" and fines if he does not depart within seven days.

"Do not attempt to remain in the United States - The federal government will find you," the e-mail warned.
"Where do they want me to go?" Martinez-Gomez told KTLA. "I was born in National City. I was raised in San Diego County my whole life."

Martinez-Gomez works full-time assisting immigrants in court for a non-profit and believes his advocacy work may have placed him on the government's radar.

"I believe I received it because I'm an accredited representative, and I represent immigrants, and I advocate for immigrants' rights in the court," he told ABC 10News.

I'm beginning to think they're doing this on purpose.
 
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◊◊◊◊ the courts and ◊◊◊◊ due process it seems.
Plus back to the emptying insane asylums in to the USA

Trump: "We're getting them out. And a judge can't say, 'No, you have to have a trial. The trial is gonna two take years.' No. We're gonna have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed to do what we're entitled to do."

 
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