What do you mean "if so" - it's a fact.
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What do you mean "if so" - it's a fact.
Gulliver Foyle
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Your latter example should be banned on crimes against humanity, not because of drag, but because it allows Brendan O'Carroll to make a living.
Ah well, at least he's off our shores.
I've assumed it was part of the Good Friday agreement so we are stuck with it.
In good conscience I cant idolise Tootsie Dame Edna et al while the kids are mortally confused.
Pause I say until the schools are cleansed of pronouns affirmation rainbows and puppy dog tails.
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Yeah there is no way I'm going to google search for that!
I am trying to understand and I've assumed that English isn't your first language and I'm loathed to criticise someone over a second language given my own inadequacy in that endeavour, but could you try using Google or Bing translate on your responses? At the moment they hardly seem English.
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you're obviously pretty distressed about this, but i don't see why i should be worried. do you feel like you could be confused into dressing like a woman? and if you did that you would die?
Susheel
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If anyone is confused here...it is you.
No - drag is designed to be entertaining
All humans are able to be confused.
They might be but there is no link to 1 and 2 above and 1 and 2 above are not linked to each other.
Perhaps if you could set up some causal argument?
If Drag is bad because it's "confusing" then the offsides rule in ice hockey is a thousand Satans condensed into one.
1. In no possible universe is "because it will confuse children" a reason to not do something. Children are stupid and confused by everything. That's pretty much a workable definition of being a child.
2. "Okay there's a giant invisible sky wizard. Okay well there's one but sometimes 3. And the giant invisible sky wizard sent himself to Earth to be tortured to pay for the sins that he put on himself." is confusing and the Venn Diagram of people who think that has to be taught to children and people who are pretending to worry that Drag Performers are two circles several miles apart.
3. In a very slight amount of fairness to the other side I do think it's fairly obvious that what Monty Python and Dame Edna and the like was doing in the 70s-90s and modern drag performances are doing is pretty clearly not exactly the same thing. I do think it is a little disingenuous to 100% in a perfect 1:1 ratio equate comic drag with what we're talking about.
1. In no possible universe is "because it will confuse children" a reason to not do something. Children are stupid and confused by everything. That's pretty much a workable definition of being a child.
2. "Okay there's a giant invisible sky wizard. Okay well there's one but sometimes 3. And the giant invisible sky wizard sent himself to Earth to be tortured to pay for the sins that he put on himself." is confusing and the Venn Diagram of people who think that has to be taught to children and people who are pretending to worry that Drag Performers are two circles several miles apart.
3. In a very slight amount of fairness to the other side I do think it's fairly obvious that what Monty Python and Dame Edna and the like was doing in the 70s-90s and modern drag performances are doing is pretty clearly not exactly the same thing. I do think it is a little disingenuous to 100% in a perfect 1:1 ratio equate comic drag with what we're talking about.
Beavis and Butthead could formulate a more coherent presentation than the woeful, fact-challenged gibberish you're foisting here.
I see we have new proud members of the "Transparently put on a big obvious fake show of forgetting how to speak English but only when called upon to respond to arguments/claims you've made" club. I hope they get t-shirts made that are good English on the front and pidgin gibberish on the back.
Gulliver Foyle
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I think it's part of the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 that ye have to house our failed commedians. We made an exception on compassionate grounds with Brendan Grace.
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I...don't think drag is confusing at all. Kids intuitively get dress up, and probably have to be taught that is is shameful and deviant for a guy to dress in women's clothes for a performance. I saw Benny Hill and Tim Conway in drag as a child, and just found it silly (although funny).
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The best reason that I can think of kids being "confused" is because certain parents want to shelter their children from the mundane realities of the world (people who aren't straight exist) and are getting upset that everyone in their community isn't doing their part to keep up the fiction. It's like a parent getting upset because one of their neighbors doesn't play along about the fantasy of Santa Claus being a real person and the kid catches wise.
So yeah, I can see how it's confusing for kids that are being taught by their parents that gays are deviants and that sexual and gender identity are only exist within an extremely proscribed way only to have them encounter people whose mere existence seems to contradict these teachings.
That's the problem with orthodoxy, you kinda need the whole community to buy in for it to work reliably. You can't have gay people openly existing and participating in the community if your teachings to your children is meant to demonize them. You can't have people openly and wantonly bucking gender norms if you mean to teach children that these kinds of things can't be transgressed.
I fail to see how this is society's problem. It's not really in the broader interest to assist parents in sheltering and emotionally crippling their children with bizarre hang-ups and anti-social attitudes.
A lot of the current reactionary freakout is probably attributed to this, that parents and other would-be enforcers of an extremely conservative social order are upset that the state is no longer doing the heavy lifting of forcing these norms onto the population, and in the free market of ideas, their product kinda sucks and can't compete with an more liberal attitude of live-and-let-live.
So yeah, I can see how it's confusing for kids that are being taught by their parents that gays are deviants and that sexual and gender identity are only exist within an extremely proscribed way only to have them encounter people whose mere existence seems to contradict these teachings.
That's the problem with orthodoxy, you kinda need the whole community to buy in for it to work reliably. You can't have gay people openly existing and participating in the community if your teachings to your children is meant to demonize them. You can't have people openly and wantonly bucking gender norms if you mean to teach children that these kinds of things can't be transgressed.
I fail to see how this is society's problem. It's not really in the broader interest to assist parents in sheltering and emotionally crippling their children with bizarre hang-ups and anti-social attitudes.
A lot of the current reactionary freakout is probably attributed to this, that parents and other would-be enforcers of an extremely conservative social order are upset that the state is no longer doing the heavy lifting of forcing these norms onto the population, and in the free market of ideas, their product kinda sucks and can't compete with an more liberal attitude of live-and-let-live.
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Indeed.
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Well I knew a couple of seminarians, and an uncle of mine was ordained. But they got better.
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What has government agencies, with all the supervision that implies, removing children from families got to do with drag shows. Perhaps you prefer agencies not to act, like here, here, here and here.
Better a few dead or abused children than the precious "rights" of parents being challenged.........
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Why? Cite some evidence for drag causing harm.
A lie you've trotted out before. Stop using it to cover your noxious transphobia.
People are still being harassed, assaulted, discrimiated against and murdered for being gay.
What is this drivel supposed to mean?
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