Dr. MAS - Please use this thread to explain homeopathy to us

[delphi_ote]

After we so soundly routed them and they so clearly made fools of themselves, one still has the audacity to show his face around here? Their shame must also be measured in homeopathic dillutions.

 

[Donks]

MRC your questions have been answered at NCH forum. He is not visiting at this forum for quite some time. Don't spread rumours here.

If you feel MRC Hans is missrepresenting the views of the homeopathic nitwits, please feel free to grow a pair and discuss here.

 

[Qureshi1_78]

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=208&st=0

Your all questions are answered by him as said by n/s homeopath.

 

[Zep]

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=208&st=0

Your all questions are answered by him as said by n/s homeopath.

 

[delphi_ote]

Yes. It seems quite the opposite is true. Almost like you're lying, which would be so very out of character...

 

[Bronze Dog]

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=208&st=0

Your all questions are answered by him as said by n/s homeopath.

Those questions answered here.

 

[Dr. MAS]

OK, I have worked around question 3 by arbitrarily assuming that 1C is a 1% solution. This is, of course, not precise, but it makes little difference.

By the same token, I have ignored the space that the salt takes up in the vial. Since we are talking numbers with 23 zeroes, we can afford to omit such little details.

Finally, I have assumed that the preparation of the remedy (Nat. Mur.) is made in a 10ml vial.

From this we get (because my spreadsheet uses Danish number convention, the comma ',' denotes a decimal point '.'):

Potency©Water NaCl
Potency 1 3,34E+23 2,35E+19
Potency 2 3,34E+23 2,35E+17
Potency 3 3,34E+23 2,35E+15
Potency 4 3,34E+23 2,35E+13
Potency 5 3,34E+23 2,35E+11
Potency 6 3,34E+23 2,35E+09
Potency 7 3,34E+23 2,35E+07
Potency 8 3,34E+23 2,35E+05
Potency 9 3,34E+23 2,35E+03
Potency 10 3,34E+23 2,35E+01
Potency 11 3,34E+23 2,35E-01
Potency 12 3,34E+23 2,35E-03
Potency 13 3,34E+23 2,35E-05
Potency 14 3,34E+23 2,35E-07
Potency 15 3,34E+23 2,35E-09
Potency 16 3,34E+23 2,35E-11
Potency 17 3,34E+23 2,35E-13
Potency 18 3,34E+23 2,35E-15
Potency 19 3,34E+23 2,35E-17
Potency 20 3,34E+23 2,35E-19
Potency 21 3,34E+23 2,35E-21
Potency 22 3,34E+23 2,35E-23
Potency 23 3,34E+23 2,35E-25
Potency 24 3,34E+23 2,35E-27
Potency 25 3,34E+23 2,35E-29
Potency 26 3,34E+23 2,35E-31
Potency 27 3,34E+23 2,35E-33
Potency 28 3,34E+23 2,35E-35
Potency 29 3,34E+23 2,35E-37
Potency 30 3,34E+23 2,35E-39

Note that around 11C, the number for NaCl falls below zero. At this point it can be seen as the probability that a single molecule of the mother tincture is left.

WOW! We just recalculated Avogadro's number and got it right within an order of magnitude! Not bad for a ball-park calculation .

Hans

This is paper work. But in actual practice this does not happen.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Dr. Mas, Founder of the Worldwide Homeopathic Computer Club?
WTF is that?
Take a bit and dilute it a million times and blow Bill Gates out of the water?
Beta version, only 30C.

 

[flume]

This is paper work. But in actual practice this does not happen.

Dr. MAS, what information or observation makes you think this does not happen? Can you explain what prevents it from happening?

 

[flume]

This is paper work. But in actual practice this does not happen.

Hello, Dr. MAS.
Can you explain why it doesn't happen in actual practice?
Remember that the example is about NaCl.

Thank you.

 

[Aepervius]

He is right , in this specific case of NaCl

Hello, Dr. MAS.
Can you explain why it doesn't happen in actual practice?
Remember that the example is about NaCl.

Thank you.

I think the only way to get a concentration of NaCl being 0, is to get unused recently blown silicate glass, use completly demineralized water (maybe formed from H2+O2) and dilute.

In practice what will happens is that you will be taking not-so-demineralized water, and no-so-clean glass (not clean to the molecules at least) so you will get concentration of "trace" of molecule (10-19?).

But naturally the argument is only valid for NaCl. Had you talked about, say, KCN or PuODe that would have been the same reasonement, and Sheik would have no way to deny it. Heck the De would even allow some kind of tracing...

 

[Complexity]

This is paper work. But in actual practice this does not happen.

Because you screwed up the "laboratory" design and are sloppy in executing "lab" procedures.

 

[aggle-rithm]

This is paper work. But in actual practice this does not happen.

I know just what you mean. The last time I tried to make a cake, it just didn't come out right at all.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Hello, Dr. MAS.
Can you explain why it doesn't happen in actual practice?
Remember that the example is about NaCl.

Thank you.

nacl of ocean, mines or merck company?

 

[strathmeyer]

nacl of ocean, mines or merck company?

Why, does salt from different sources have different magical properties?

How can a thread get to be nine pages long and still be so unproductive?

Can anyone explain what homeopathy is and how it works? Can anyone describe how one could observe its affects?

 

[Ririon]

Can anyone explain what homeopathy is and how it works? Can anyone describe how one could observe it's affects?

None of out friends from Pakistan, at least. First of all, they refuse to answer questions that direct. Secondly they're suspended for a week. There are plenty of good skeptic answers to these questions in these "hundred of" threads, though.

 

[flume]

nacl of ocean, mines or merck company?

Dr. A Sheikh, it would be interesting if you would give an explanation for each one of them.

Dr. MAS said that Han's calculation about NaCl was not true in practice. So I think it is fair to talk about NaCl by itself. For NaCl it doesn't matter what the source is.

However maybe for homeopathic preparations of "Natrum muriaticum", some companies or people use sea salt, which is a mixture of NaCl and other minerals. So you could discuss the other minerals separately.

Aepervius mentioned the problem of contamination. Is this Dr. MAS's objection to Han's explanation? Or not?

 

[steenkh]

You will have to wait for a week before he replies, if ever.

 

[flume]

You will have to wait for a week before he replies, if ever.

Dr. A Sheikh too?

Perhaps Dr. MAS or some other member of the NCH Pakistan forum would answer my question in that forum.

 

[Mojo]

Dr. A Sheikh too?

Perhaps Dr. MAS or some other member of the NCH Pakistan forum would answer my question in that forum.

Or maybe Homeoman or Non-Sense Homeopath or one of the others could reappear over here.