Moderated Dowsing By Edge

GzuzKryzt said:
It seemed to work during the Base Line Test during your test with JREF didn't it? http://www.randi.org/jr/032902.html
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It's a little more complex than that. He later admitted on these boards (or more correctly "claimed") that he was lying when he told Randi the conditions were okay. The reason he gave was something like,"he wasn't going to come all that way and not get a chance to test", so he told Randi it was okay even though it wasn't. Of course he waited several weeks before offering this admission, and the records of his test indicate that he did ask for several "corrections" before agreeing the scenario was okay. So it is hard to tell if he was lying to Randi or lying about lying to Randi.

In any case, his reaction to being nailed on this was as predictable as might be expected: If he was caught in an inescapable lie, he must create a reason why lying was necessary.
 
Tricky said:
It's a little more complex than that. He later admitted on these boards (or more correctly "claimed") that he was lying when he told Randi the conditions were okay. The reason he gave was something like,"he wasn't going to come all that way and not get a chance to test", so he told Randi it was okay even though it wasn't. Of course he waited several weeks before offering this admission, and the records of his test indicate that he did ask for several "corrections" before agreeing the scenario was okay. So it is hard to tell if he was lying to Randi or lying about lying to Randi.

In any case, his reaction to being nailed on this was as predictable as might be expected: If he was caught in an inescapable lie, he must create a reason why lying was necessary.
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Thanks, Tricky, for clearing that up. I think it's very vital.
 
edge said:
I'm fine Tricky, if you think I was slim in that photo tell me something how tall are you and what's your weight?
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I'm not Tricky, but I have a neat trick with my height weight and phone number. My height is 1.666m, my weight is 66.6kg and my phone number also contains 666. None of this has bought me any bad luck though - not yet at least :D
 
I'm sorry, but about a third of Edge's stuff is almost incomprehensible to me, I cant follow the grammar half the time nor make out what he's on about. Perhaps it comes with being delusional, which he more and more appears to be. "Delusional? How so?", I hear you cry. Well...

Edge has a magic stick which he believes defies all known science and can be used to detect precious metals, water and minute disturbances in electromagnetic fields, amongst other things. He can detect a few grammes of gold buried deep in sediment, or detect the minute magnetic anomaly in the earths magnetic field caused by a small lump of heavy material. Or so he claims.

In reality he cant detect large quantities of gold hidden under a cup, or indeed any metal of any value hidden under anything not transparent. As he admits himself, every test of the abilities of his magic stick have proven that it's not in any way magic, and is in all likelyhood just a stick. He refuses to accept that.

He has spent three years mining for gold using his magic stick as a guide, and in doing so has grown thinner, not richer. Anyone else in the world blessed with a true method of easily finding buried gold would be independantly wealthy in a short time. He refuses to see this, since he finds tiny quantities of gold where his magic stick tells him to dig. Admittedly he's digging in a known gold field, but it's still proof enough for him.

In short, all the evidence points to Edge being a deluded guy being led around to his detriment by his belief in the magic powers of a twig. All the evidence says it's nonsense, Edge believes it's magic. Deluded.
 
I'm sorry if this has been said already (I haven't read the whole thread) but you should be able to get it right close to 100% of the time if you are actually able to do it, shouldn't you? For example, if dowsing or ESP is like any one of our other senses, it should be as simple as picking out a red ball from two other differently coloured balls, correct?
 
Got your message rjh01, I have a disk with about ten or so photos they are in another town and it will take a few days to get back there.
 
What would wearing rubber gloves have to do with minute muscle movements? What do you think the ideomotor reflex is?
 
Oh and by the way the Idomotor effect can’t be the right explanation because I can dowse with gloves on, rubber gloves. So explain that to me????
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Classic.
 
edge said:
laywig asked,
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Some years ago, I believed that I had seen every possible misspelling of my name. Since then I have learned how foolish of a thought that was.

Hint: the "quote" button at the bottom of every post is an easy way to ensure that you have spelled the poster's name correctly.

It was for both open and closed.
I did, there was a good chance that I wouldn't detect the deeper stuff as it was very light and in small amounts, there is, what I conclude now is there is no possibility of neutral ground.
After all it is a metal-based planet.
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I have no idea how you think buried metals and minerals as well as electro-magnetic fields influence your dowsing stick, so I'll just ask this question: If we put you in a small wooden boat in 200 feet of water over a mile from shore, would you be able to detect one-ounce gold coins under paper cups?
 
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edge said:
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I'm not the only one that thinks dowsing works.
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Prove it, edge.

edge said:
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Oh and by the way the Idomotor effect can’t be the right explanation because I can dowse with gloves on, rubber gloves. So explain that to me????
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Google results on the definition of "Ideomotor Effect", handselected especially for your reading pleasure, edge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

http://www.wyrdology.com/mind/ideomotor.html

http://skepdic.com/ideomotor.html

I don't think wearing rubber gloves renders the ideomotor effect invalid. Although none of the linked articles say that specifically, it seems just common sense, edge. Just like wearing a condom prevents your member from cooties, it does not prevent you from cumming.
 
edge said:
The stick has no intelligentsia?
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Is this a question, or are you saying that the stick DOES do all the work. I think that IS what you are saying. Moreover, you think that the reason for this has not YET been discovered by science. Is that correct?
 
Edge is capable of changing his mind. Some years back, somone pointed out that according to Newton's laws of motion, if the dowsing rod is attracted to gold, the gold must be equally attracted to the rod. Therefore, a small piece of gold, suspended on a string, should swing toward the tip of the rod.

Edge agreed that this should happen, and he conducted some experiments. He couldn't make the sample move, and he was honest about that, admitting that he had been mistaken in his assumption that the rod would act like a magnet and attract the sample.

And he predicted earlier that he would find pounds of gold, and if I'm reading him correctly, he now says he was unable to do that. I do admire his honesty.

However, he doesn't seem to be able to take the next step and admit that the dowsing rod doesn't seem to work the way he thinks it does--or at all, for that matter.
 
edge said:
70 days camping has put me at my prime weight; I lost 34 lbs., and had to put 10 back on.
You want to get in shape go mining
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You want to make money, just open up a weight loss mining camp.

Should make the JREF million look like chump change in a few years.
 
Ladewig said:
Some years ago, I believed that I had seen every possible misspelling of my name. Since then I have learned how foolish of a thought that was.

Hint: the "quote" button at the bottom of every post is an easy way to ensure that you have spelled the poster's name correctly.



I have no idea how you think buried metals and minerals as well as electro-magnetic fields influence your dowsing stick, so I'll just ask this question: If we put you in a small wooden boat in 200 feet of water over a mile from shore, would you be able to detect one-ounce gold coins under paper cups?
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It was a typo sorry?

Don't know about the ocean? I went out in Florida and did some experimenting, looking for Salvage. Spanish wrecks.
 
Kenny 10 Bellys said:
Big baby? Learn American slang?

I never called you names, I said you were delusional, which is a description of your state of mind. If I were calling you names I'd have called you a pillock or a dingbat or a bampot, good solid British names for idiots. Learn British slang! And while you're at it learn some vocabulary as well. 'Intelligentsia' is a name for a class of mentally gifted people working for society, and not the word 'intelligence' which is what I think you meant.

Your stick does not work, fails every test you give it and still you believe it is embued with magical powers beyond anything science or your own fevered brain can explain. I'd say that makes you delusional, in that you have the belief that your stick is some sort of tricorder like sensing device despite the fact that it clearly is just a bit of wood.
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Is that a picture of you?
Your avatar?
 
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