rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Edge, the pictures would be a lot better if the file size were bigger. 20K each would be good. Plus a bit more commentary on what it all means.
Spektator
Is that right?
Edge, you said earlier you were having very good success with the hanging targets. Why don't you design a JREF test using hanging targets?
I'll have three years to summarize and two years of pictures to post. I'll post them on a different site because they are larger than normal.
I think most are panoramic.
Some one asked for them if you're wondering.
It all means something. I can't be that lucky.
I think most are panoramic.
Some one asked for them if you're wondering.
It all means something. I can't be that lucky.
I might.
Edge, how does this affect your JREF Challenge Application?
Spektator
Is that right?
Every so often edge emerges and tells us he's going to re-apply real soon now. And then he goes away again.
I don't think he ever will re-apply.
I don't think he ever will re-apply.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
You are probably right, or then again, he may apply, but try to set conditions that he knows will be unacceptable to the JREF (and against the rules of the challenge) as he has already written some time back. In any case, it is pretty much certain that he'll never take the test again. He is not so stupid as to fail to learn from his first embarassment that he should never again be without a prepared excuse.
In some ways, I kinda hope he doesn't waste his time applying again. It seems like the poor guy is living hand-to-mouth. The last thing he needs is something to distract him from the business of survival.
Right now I'm picking and signing up for the next semester and I still have a paper to write for you.
The paper will summarize the last three years of mining using the dowsing method to locate gold and all other metals.
I have one third of it written and will have the next two thirds in a couple of days.
The link with the pictures I have to do yet also.
It looks like I have a lot of coordinating to do to take the test again.
A couple of volunteers would help.
Three people, which have a couple of weeks in the summer to kill, to take JERF’s side.
The only way to prove this, that “dowsing works”, with the kind of percentage in my favor is to actually mine with this method like this last summer.
To pick ten winning spots and several losing spots.
I have to write all the parameters for such a test and then JREF, would have to accept the proposal.
Can I foot the whole bill? Hell no.
Could you, “the volunteers”, get any compensation? Maybe if you helping the mining operation. A percentage for your labor, it could work.
Right of the bat we would need a professional Geologist to verify oh ya.
Hint hint Tricky.
I would go as far as to take a lie detector test to verify t that planting and salting of the ground didn’t occur.
90% correct is better than 50%.
As far as BILLYJOE, I THINK HE’S RELATED TO CURLY HOWARD.
I think he is from Kansas.
It’s a lot to think about.
The paper will summarize the last three years of mining using the dowsing method to locate gold and all other metals.
I have one third of it written and will have the next two thirds in a couple of days.
The link with the pictures I have to do yet also.
It looks like I have a lot of coordinating to do to take the test again.
A couple of volunteers would help.
Three people, which have a couple of weeks in the summer to kill, to take JERF’s side.
The only way to prove this, that “dowsing works”, with the kind of percentage in my favor is to actually mine with this method like this last summer.
To pick ten winning spots and several losing spots.
I have to write all the parameters for such a test and then JREF, would have to accept the proposal.
Can I foot the whole bill? Hell no.
Could you, “the volunteers”, get any compensation? Maybe if you helping the mining operation. A percentage for your labor, it could work.
Right of the bat we would need a professional Geologist to verify oh ya.
Hint hint Tricky.
I would go as far as to take a lie detector test to verify t that planting and salting of the ground didn’t occur.
90% correct is better than 50%.
As far as BILLYJOE, I THINK HE’S RELATED TO CURLY HOWARD.
I think he is from Kansas.
It’s a lot to think about.
Dumb All Over
A Little Ugly on the Side
Are you sure? This is the only way to prove that it works? If this is the only way, then, really, it doesn't work.
You know the rules, edge.
You know what it takes to describe your ability, and how to prove your described ability.
Your last steps taken in this forum move towards obfuscation, not towards proving your claimed ability.
Edge, no one will blame you if you admit dowsing does not work. People - including me - will applaud your honesty, if they are in their right mind.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Go ahead and submit your application, Edge. Once you and the JREF come to agreement on protocol, I'll be happy to serve as a geologist in whatever capacity is required. But until you take the first step, it is a total waste of time to prepare for an event that is not scheduled.
I know one more thing now so it's not a total waste of time, and that is you will or might help,very good and here are a few things I have to think of.
I have two operations in progress; one is with a backhoe and tromal, which is a larger operation than dredging with a 6 inch dredge.
The other is an operation with a 10 inch dredge.
The one with the tromal might happen this winter and the one with the substantially larger dredge will happen in July of 07.
There are two claims of twenty acres or more and one on privet property which is loaded. For the 10 inch dredge.
The one with the heavy equipment, the backhoe, tromal and dump truck and or cat has about 180 acres.
This one might happen in a few weeks at which point I can make a possible move to apply.
Timing is everything I will submit when I have a new set up or operation going.
The operation itself is time consuming.
Will you applaud my honesty if I can prove it in the field?
After all dowsing for gold happens when you are mining in the field.
With some one to verify that the ground wasn't salted it would be easy to accept right?
I already have admitted that dowsing in a controlled test was flawed some how.
You see I'm still not totally convinced that it doesn't work because 3 years of mining with this method has kept me on the best lines that I could find, what was left to find.
I still find it fascinating that it works so well in the field; it saves me tons of time.
I have tried both ways with it and with out dowsing, with out might take days and with dowsing only minutes!
This is the reason that Joe wants me to head up the heavy operation and the fact I was the only one getting any gold, when no one else was.
After 2 months one other dredger got lucky. But two months of not producing till he finally listened and took my advice.
He hit the next day.
I will not applaud fish tales.
I mentioned in another thread that an uncle of mine used to dowse for water. According to various sources, successfully. When I confronted those very sources, not one of them could tell me the day or the location when the alleged success(es) happened. I had to endure harsh criticism to even dare to ask for proof.
I will not applaud fish tales.
I will applaud your success in a controlled test, edge.
Or you admitting that dowsing does not work. After you applied. And got tested.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
We will all applaud you if you find lots of gold (I am thinking $10m worth) and then donate $1m of it to JREF to make it the $2m prize. This should not be too hard. You have all the heavy equipment. Everything else you need. And no-one standing over your shoulder demanding double-blind testing. Good-luck.
Spektator
Is that right?
Edge, four years ago you were writing a book.
Now you're writing a paper.
We never saw the book.
I don't think we'll ever see the paper.
If you are going to test, test. Please stop all the side issues and design a test, then take it.
Now you're writing a paper.
We never saw the book.
I don't think we'll ever see the paper.
If you are going to test, test. Please stop all the side issues and design a test, then take it.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
This is BS and you know it, Edge. You can apply at any time. You don't have to cite a specific location, just outline your proposed protocol. You'll work out the details with JREF after the application has been submitted. As you know, this takes some time so the earlier you get your application in, the more time you have to work out details.
So one can only assume that by delaying your application you are merely trying to create future excuses, just as you did last summer.
If you need help filling out the application, many (including myself) here would be happy to help you. Heck, if you need the money for the registered letter I'll spot you that much.
If you think you can win, you have no excuse for not applying right now. None.
The only reason that you are not applying is because you know you will lose. That is obvious to everyone here.
Link to my dredging photos.
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/dowsing4gold/album/576460762365391133
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/dowsing4gold/album/576460762365409859
Click on the pictures to enlarge.
I’m about to send the application with my 2 paragraphs of protocols’ after tomorrow.
Tomorrow I will secure the ground to do the tests on.
Tricky I hope to see you here for two weeks starting July first.
There are still many things to work out.
I need 2 more volunteers and I have a feeling that if they let you, you will be a part of the crew as well as the JERFS judges, these are still things that need to be hammered out, but I’m willing to share some of the gold with those that help, you will read more about it shortly.
Both crews may have to be seperated.
I still may work out something to make it memorable to every one involved.
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/dowsing4gold/album/576460762365391133
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/dowsing4gold/album/576460762365409859
Click on the pictures to enlarge.
I’m about to send the application with my 2 paragraphs of protocols’ after tomorrow.
Tomorrow I will secure the ground to do the tests on.
Tricky I hope to see you here for two weeks starting July first.
There are still many things to work out.
I need 2 more volunteers and I have a feeling that if they let you, you will be a part of the crew as well as the JERFS judges, these are still things that need to be hammered out, but I’m willing to share some of the gold with those that help, you will read more about it shortly.
Both crews may have to be seperated.
I still may work out something to make it memorable to every one involved.
Great. But I still won't believe it until I see it. No offense, edge.
(The cat in the pics from the second link looks cute. Really. However, one would have to suppress a mild chuckle if one realised you'd post cat pics in your own thread, edge.)
The thing about impartial observers is that impartiality generally means not taking part in the experiment or accepting money off people who are.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Your cart is so far ahead of your horse it's about to lap the nag.
You have no idea yet if JREF will approve your protocol (and I seriously doubt that they will), so securing the ground is very likely a waste of time (and money?).
Many, many things to work out, like if your protocol will be accepted. You'll excuse me if I hold off on making my plane reservations.
As you know, JREF says that applicant pays all expenses. They volunteer their time. They don't donate their money. I don't want your gold, Edge, but neither do I wish to spend several hundred dollars on a trip which has only a tiny chance of curing you of your misconceptions.
Let me ask you. If you fail a second test, will you agree to admit, with no excuses or rationalizations, that dowsing doesn't work? If not, then why should I bother?
If you'll show us your protocol here, perhaps we can help you hammer out some of the problems before they become problems. I cannot concieve why your test should take so many volunteers. A double blind test only requires three people, one of which is the testee.
I have no doubt it would be memorable, but I seriously doubt that it would be memorable for the reasons you expect.