Moderated Donald Sterling, Owner of the Clippers, is Racist

[sunmaster14]

Really? You think "Wow, that Obama sure doesn't talk like a stereotypical black guy, and hah hah, convenience stores are all run by Indians" is equivalent to "Man, if only the rest of the country had voted for the ardent racist and segregationist who ran for President as the candidate for this political party, like I did, the country wouldn't have had all those problems, ifyaknowwhatImean"?

Is it really too much to ask that when you put something in quotes it really be, you know, a quote, or at least something that's close in spirit?

Trent Lott was trying to say something nice about an old fart on the occasion of his 100th birthday. I very much doubt that he was trying to say that segregration would have been better for the country, especially as he was at a public gathering, with members of the press and politicians of both parties in attendance.

 

[ABC10]

Ummm... that was my point. Newsflash: what people say and what people think are two different things. Most wise ones have learned to play the P.C. game.

~Dr. Imago

P.S. You have a lot of catching-up to do in this thread. I think I made that comment 100 posts ago.

Olde Don is doing something right, he is a Billionaire. Perhaps he feels no need to speak with a forked tongue. Perhaps this is the Hand of G-d directing Don to a new path as he moves toward the end of his life. Putting away material things and helping those who need help.

 

[sunmaster14]

We'll see. If so, Sterling will be crying all the way to the bank. Turning his $12.5 million purchase into more than half a billion.

I think it's more correct to say that he turned his $600MM asset into a $500MM asset.

If Magic really engineered this, as another poster has speculated, I hope Michael Lewis writes a book about it, and it gets turned into a movie.

 

[varwoche]

Whaddya know, after all this unfair attention, "poor Don" now has to deal with an uppity <n-word>.

Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers says that team owner Donald Sterling reached out to him but that he declined to speak to him.

 

[A'isha]

Is it really too much to ask that when you put something in quotes it really be, you know, a quote, or at least something that's close in spirit?

Trent Lott was trying to say something nice about an old fart on the occasion of his 100th birthday. I very much doubt that he was trying to say that segregration would have been better for the country, especially as he was at a public gathering, with members of the press and politicians of both parties in attendance.

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

There's a quote of exactly what Trent Lott said.

When Strom Thurmond ran for president, it was as the candidate of a party whose sole purpose and platform was to be a pro-segregation, pro-Jim Crow, and pro-white supremacist party. That's what Lott was "proud" to have voted for, and wished that the rest of the country had also voted for, because if Thurmond had been elected on this racist, segregationalist ticket, the country wouldn't have had "all these problems over the years".

 

[Cain]

Turns out Stirling has been a registered Republican since 1998.

This requires more investigation. Until further notice, I'll ask that we all reserve judgement, and don't speak ill of any public figures 'till we figure this out.

Even better- let's just forget the whole thing.

 

[Olowkow]

This requires more investigation. Until further notice, I'll ask that we all reserve judgement, and don't speak ill of any public figures 'till we figure this out.

Even better- let's just forget the whole thing.

But he was seen hanging out with a democrat once.

 

[SezMe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Gawd, how embarrassing for you, Neally. The very first line from your cite is:

Whether Ashkenazi Jews tend to have higher intelligence than other ethnic groups has been an occasional subject of scientific controversy.

My highlight.

So your very own citation to support your assertion that Jews are smarter than the average bear disproves your assertion. I so love the smell of failure in the morning.

 

[sunmaster14]

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

There's a quote of exactly what Trent Lott said.

When Strom Thurmond ran for president, it was as the candidate of a party whose sole purpose and platform was to be a pro-segregation, pro-Jim Crow, and pro-white supremacist party.

Ok, so far we are in agreement.

That's what Lott was "proud" to have voted for, and wished that the rest of the country had also voted for, because if Thurmond had been elected on this racist, segregationalist ticket, the country wouldn't have had "all these problems over the years".

Here we part company. I believe he was saying he was proud to vote for the man, not the platform or the idea he was running on.

Look, it was a gaffe. It sounded bad. But you get up in front of a microphone, trying to think of something nice to say about a 100yr old guy who has some serious skeletons in his closet, it's pretty easy for something stupid to come out of your mouth.

Joe Biden says cringeworthy things all the time when speaking extemporaneously. A couple of weeks ago, he told the Boston marathon bombing survivors that "it was worth it!" I heard that live, and I wanted to go crawl under my desk I was so embarrassed for him.

 

[ABC10]

That's OK. He brought in Big Ed and Al Sharpton as insurance so he could continue his anti-Democrat ramblings. Unfortunately, those ramblings have become completely off-topic.

Something should probably be done about that...

Sadly, Big Ed has been extremely disappointing on the subject of Don Sterling comments, today. Perhaps Al will do better.

 

[dudalb]

Since my first post,several other corporate sponsers...including biggies like State Farm Insurance and Red Bull...have dropped their sponsorship.
That will go over big with the other NBA owners.

 

[dudalb]

We'll see. If so, Sterling will be crying all the way to the bank. Turning his $12.5 million purchase into more than half a billion.

I don't care as long as he is gone from the NBA.
And being a racist is OK if you are rich ...that ishow you are coming off.

 

[SezMe]

Do you know someone who said there aren't any racists anymore?

Will assertions that we live in a post-racial society do? If so, here's three for the price of one.

Yes indeed, with Obama’s election, “America has completed its evolution into a racial meritocracy,” wrote Phillip Morris of the Cleveland Plains Dealer. Our country, according to Jonathan Kay of the National Post, “has finally become a fundamentally post-racial society,” where in fact, Laura Hollis tells us at townhall.com, “racism is dead.”

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So Magic Johnson and his shadowy partners are now interested in buying the Clippers. It's clear #32 plotted this like a fastbreak.

1) Show up to the game with Sterling's half-black girlfriend, arousing Sterling's well-known anger.
2) Get her to record the slob complaining about Magic and his employee/co-conspirator Matt Kemp
3) Shame the league into forcing the sale of the Clippers.

People say the world's controlled by the Jews, and maybe that's true, but one thing's for certain: Magic Johnson has a seat at the table.

I always thought he was a little sneaky. I once saw him steal a basketball from another player, in broad daylight!

 

[ravdin]

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

There's a quote of exactly what Trent Lott said.

When Strom Thurmond ran for president, it was as the candidate of a party whose sole purpose and platform was to be a pro-segregation, pro-Jim Crow, and pro-white supremacist party. That's what Lott was "proud" to have voted for, and wished that the rest of the country had also voted for, because if Thurmond had been elected on this racist, segregationalist ticket, the country wouldn't have had "all these problems over the years".

Plus Trent Lott was 7 years old when he supposedly voted for Strom Thurmond's segregationist ticket. He's an idiot and he richly deserved to lose his leadership position.

Here's something nice Lott could have said about Strom Thurmond on his 100th birthday: on D-Day he parachuted behind enemy lines to fight Nazis. He wasn't a young man even then and most of the paratroopers were half his age. That would have been a much better tribute than bringing up his failed presidential run.

 

[johnny karate]

I never wrote or implied that a single example would be sufficient to prove his claim. His claim was more general and included the plural "conservatives," which would necessarily require at least one example from at least two separate "conservative" posters to prove, even if we construed the claim in its weakest form (i.e. assuming an implicit "some" before the word "conservatives" rather than "most" or "all").

I merely asked if he could provide a single example, which he couldn't. I genuinely wanted to see if there was something I missed, although I suspected I hadn't (and wanted to make that point as well). Aside from ABC10's trolling, I think the so-called conservative posters have acquitted themselves pretty well, and much better than many of the liberal posters who have taken ABC10's bait.

You asked for an example.

You were given an example.

A person interested in honest debate would simply acknowledge that, admit they were wrong, and move on.

 

[johnny karate]

Here we part company. I believe he was saying he was proud to vote for the man, not the platform or the idea he was running on.

Where exactly is there pride in voting for a man who ran on a single-issue platform if you don't agree with the platform?

Also, if your theory is correct, what "problems" do you suppose Lott was referring to that could have been avoided if Thurmond had been elected?

 

[sunmaster14]

You asked for an example.

You were given an example.

A person interested in honest debate would simply acknowledge that, admit they were wrong, and move on.

If you're referring to the ABC10 example, then I wholeheartedly agree that those posts would fit the bill. As I explained, though, I did not have those in mind at the time, since I misunderstood what David was referring to. He confirmed that he was referring to more than just ABC10's posts, and he gave me some quotes from other posts, without any explanation whatsoever. I did not (and still do not) consider those quotes to be examples of fallacious reasoning, or non-sequiturs, or trolling, and I gave my reasoning in detail. Neither you nor David has responded. Instead, you simply continue to assert that I have been given an example. I think I've amply demonstrated who is interested in honest debate, and who isn't.

 

[snoop_doxie]

Turns out Stirling has been a registered Republican since 1998.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just heard Donald Trump call the tape "a set up by a bad, very bad girlfriend."
He laughed a little too. <snicker>
Republican.

LOL

 

[sunmaster14]

Where exactly is there pride in voting for a man who ran on a single-issue platform if you don't agree with the platform?

Also, if your theory is correct, what "problems" do you suppose Lott was referring to that could have been avoided if Thurmond had been elected?

The comments were made in 2002. I don't think race relations were at the forefront of anybody's mind then. Recent problems had to do with partisanship (Clinton impeachment, 2000 Presidential election), a bursting stock market bubble, a recession, corporate fraud (Enron), and of course 9/11 and its aftermath. Lott probably had in mind that somebody of Thurmond's strong will and character would have done a better job managing some of these problems than the Presidents we did have. Obviously, that was non-sensical because Thurmond ran 54 years prior, and he wouldn't still be president. But I think he was sort of grafting Thurmond on to the present and speculating that he would deal better with these problems than the then current political leaders.