Dog consumption

[Last of the Fraggles]

Yes, it is ok, just like eating dog mean while starving. It is acceptable only in extreme times

So you are back to just asserting there is something wrong with eating dog again?

I thought we had moved beyond that.

 

[Akhenaten]

So you are back to just asserting there is something wrong with eating dog again?

I thought we had moved beyond that.

We have mate, we have. Makaya is re-assessing his position even as we speak and should rejoin us shortly.


Akhenaten,

Pharaoh

 

[shandyjan]

I dont like the idea of it being added to the menus here in the west. Yep, I am emotionally attached to pets. We cant get to the bottom of pet cruelty without letting people eat dog or cat, could add a new realm to crime!

 

[makaya325]

So you are back to just asserting there is something wrong with eating dog again?

I thought we had moved beyond that.

Do I think That it is wrong? Yes.

Do other people have their own decisions? Yes

Should America be a dictatorship, and tell other countries what to do? No

 

[desertgal]

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Should America be a dictatorship, and tell other countries what to do? No

I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but, please, stop and consider your words before you post.

The United States does not have authority in any country beyond its borders. It is not a matter of "America" choosing to "be a dictatorship" or not.

Try "It is the right of every culture to observe their own customs."

'kay?

 

[Akhenaten]

So you are back to just asserting here is something wrong with eating dog again?

<snippy>

Do I think That it is wrong? Yes.

Hi Mak

Personally, I wouldn't responded as you have. This is not a criticism, so I hope you'll read my reasons for differing with your approach.

You were asked, rhetorically (in other words it was question that the asker didn't really expect answered, or at least has no right to expect an answer)

Rhetorical questions are often more of a means of provoking a reaction rather than a means of obtaining information.

I would have let the one above slide myself, or if I had responded I might have said something like, "Yes, but I only wish to assert that eating dog is wrong in my opinion, and I'm prepared to discuss my reasons for thinking so."

Or words to that effect.

Do other people have their own decisions? Yes

There's no doubt about the factuality of this bit of your response, but there's a little problem in it being a question that wasn't asked. It should have been, if the poster was fair dinkum about hearing your answer, if you get my drift.

Should America be a dictatorship, and tell other countries what to do? No

Desertgal has pointed out the problems with the last part of your response and I will not gainsay her.

I would simply add that it's off-topic to the subject. That doesn't have to be a problem in itself, but if someone decides to take issue with your statement then it could easily become a huge derail.


My apologies for my off-topicness here in not directly addressing the issues raised in your OP.


Cheers,

Dave

 

[Akhenaten]

I dont like the idea of it being added to the menus here in the west. Yep, I am emotionally attached to pets. We cant get to the bottom of pet cruelty without letting people eat dog or cat, could add a new realm to crime!

I'm happy to second you up here.

Dogs work for us, play with us, protect us and give us their doggy loyalty and friendship. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that an emotional attachment based on these things can be reconciled with turning them into menu items.

The point about the connection to problems with pet cruelty is well taken too.

I make, of course, no judgements about peeps who feel differently, as is their right.

. . .could add a new realm to crime!

Like cat rustling?

 

[amb]

I challenge anyone here to kill and gut then eat this...................

 

[BTMO]

I challenge anyone here to kill and gut then eat this...................

Where is it? Or is that part of the challenge?

 

[laca]

I challenge anyone here to kill and gut then eat this...................

Wrong breed, amb. I hate those, so I'd kill it in a heartbeat

I wouldn't gut it, because it makes me sick even to look at a chicken being gutted. I'd ask my wife to gut it and cook it (she hates those dogs too ). After that, I'd at least taste it. If it doesn't taste good, then I'd give it to my dogs, if yes, I'd take out the chili and mustard...

ETA. Of course, I'd never eat my dogs, unless I was starving...

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

I dont like the idea of it being added to the menus here in the west. Yep, I am emotionally attached to pets. We cant get to the bottom of pet cruelty without letting people eat dog or cat, could add a new realm to crime!

I understand that some people may feel uncomfortable eating any particular food, personally I'm not a big fan of eating something that is still alive. We each can choose for ourselves what we like to eat, but the comment that you don't like the idea of it being added to menus seems to suggest you would not want others to have that choice? I may have misinterpreted.

Commercially reared meat-dogs are not pets. Just like sheep, cows and pigs raised in farms are not pets. You may keep a pet dog at home (many Chinese and Koreans do this too) and love it and appreciate it and would not want to eat it, nor for anyone else to. That's a given. Equally someone might want to keep a pet pig, chicken, rabbit or whatever and feel the same about it.

I don't see the link between eating meat and pet cruelty. It just isn't there. Why would eating dog meat make you any more likely to mistreat your pet dog than eating chicken or pork?

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

Do I think That it is wrong? Yes.

Do other people have their own decisions? Yes

Should America be a dictatorship, and tell other countries what to do? No

When you say you think it is wrong can you clarify whether you mean 'It's wrong for me, and I wouldn't want to do it' or 'It's wrong for everyone'. I think you need to be clear on whether its a personal preference or a value judgement on others.

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

I'm happy to second you up here.

Dogs work for us, play with us, protect us and give us their doggy loyalty and friendship. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that an emotional attachment based on these things can be reconciled with turning them into menu items.

The point about the connection to problems with pet cruelty is well taken too.

I make, of course, no judgements about peeps who feel differently, as is their right.





Like cat rustling?

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Some dogs play with us etc, others bite kids and yet others are reared commercially for food. Some people have an emotional attachment to dogs and others don't. Some people enjoy eating them.

Some people's failure to be able to reconcile their attachment to dogs and their tasty meaty goodness is understandable but does not form a sound basis for a decision on whether others should be forced to comply with their emotional wishes.

The point about pet cruelty is a red herring; its wrong to treat animals cruelly whether they are pets, for food, passing you in the street or living wild in the woods. Unless you are arguing its OK to be cruel to some animals then I think we are both in agreement on this.

I don't think you have made the claim that eating dogs is wrong, but mak certainly has, and I have repeatedly asked for a reason for this beyond the obvious that they don't like it. Personal, emotional 'ickyness' of something does not make it wrong.

If someone was to snatch amb's pet above and boil it and eat it that would be wrong. Nobody is suggesting the consumption of people's loved pets - and yet this nonsense seems to get often mixed into the discussion on dogs.

 

[Akhenaten]

Some dogs play with us etc, others bite kids and yet others are reared commercially for food. Some people have an emotional attachment to dogs and others don't. Some people enjoy eating them.

Yep. Different horses for different courses. Or something. mmmm . . . horse.

I digress.

Some people's failure to be able to reconcile their attachment to dogs and their tasty meaty goodness is understandable but does not form a sound basis for a decision on whether others should be forced to comply with their emotional wishes.

I agree with you 100%.

The point about pet cruelty is a red herring; its wrong to treat animals cruelly whether they are pets, for food, passing you in the street or living wild in the woods. Unless you are arguing its OK to be cruel to some animals then I think we are both in agreement on this.

Not meant to be a red herring. Sorry I wasn't clearer. The inference, at least on my part, is simply that having Rover on the menu might to some extent inure us to cruelty issues. Not a biggie, I think, but a consideration nonetheless.

I don't think you have made the claim that eating dogs is wrong, but mak certainly has, and I have repeatedly asked for a reason for this beyond the obvious that they don't like it. Personal, emotional 'ickyness' of something does not make it wrong.

Good-oh mate. I leave Mak to answer for himself on that one.

If someone was to snatch amb's pet above and boil it and eat it that would be wrong. Nobody is suggesting the consumption of people's loved pets - and yet this nonsense seems to get often mixed into the discussion on dogs.

I shall doggedly continue to agree with you, my friend.

Apologies if I dissed you earlier.


Cheers,

Dave

 

[amb]

Where is it? Or is that part of the challenge?

My god, cannibals!!!

Wrong breed, amb. I hate those, so I'd kill it in a heartbeat

I wouldn't gut it, because it makes me sick even to look at a chicken being gutted. I'd ask my wife to gut it and cook it (she hates those dogs too ). After that, I'd at least taste it. If it doesn't taste good, then I'd give it to my dogs, if yes, I'd take out the chili and mustard...

ETA. Of course, I'd never eat my dogs, unless I was starving...

You sir are a murderer! That's my little girl you so blantly think you could kill and eat. My god Appolo, I will have nightmares tonight.

 

[amb]

 

[Cleon]

We have mate, we have. Makaya is re-assessing his position even as we speak

...Again.

 

[Akhenaten]

...Again.

I shall recommend to him this book , a best-seller in Luxor at the moment.

 

[Cleon]

I shall recommend to him this book , a best-seller in Luxor at the moment.

Not so big in Amarna, eh?

 

[Akhenaten]

Not so big in Amarna, eh?

No. We're much more settled in our ways up here. For now.

We have similar views to many in regard to dogs as non-food items, and have a long history with their domestication.

Egyptians probably first domesticated the cat, but dogs were most likely domesticated in other parts of the world. Notably, the first domestication of dogs from wolfs occurred in Persia, North America and possibly Northeast Africa. The earliest reference to dogs in Egypt comes to us from the predynastic period. Bones of domesticated dogs have been discovered dating to the fifth millennium BC in Egypt, and we find the first representation of domesticated dogs on the Moscow cup from the Badarian age (4000-4500 BC). We begin to find natural representations of dogs with collars on the Asmolean Palette and the Hunting Palette. These palettes date from the predynastic era during the Naqada II (3500-3000 BC). But we find many more domesticated dogs in murals starting in the Old Kingdom.

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