Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

Not always.

Not the point.

 

[Darat]

What is your point then?

 

[Poem]

What is your point then?

What I said:

A false analogy: take away automobiles and there would be no viable alternative; ban porn and regular sex is...well, right there still available as an alternative.

 

[Dutchman]

Porn as alternative for sex sounds er... mainstream enough, but sex as alternative for porn? Not so much, to me at least. A bit weird, even.

 

[Poem]

Porn as alternative for sex sounds er... mainstream enough, but sex as alternative for porn? Not so much, to me at least. A bit weird, even.

Natural biological reproduction is weird?

 

[Dutchman]

Natural biological reproduction is weird?

That is not what I said. Using it as an alternative for porn is

 

[Poem]

That is not what I said. Using it as an alternative for porn is

The point I made was not that real sex is an alternative to porn (though, of course, it is) - rather that if porn were banned then real sex would still be there for humanity. Nobody here is suggesting one goes out and finds another human being to have sex with as an immediate alternative to watching a porn video - and nobody here, AFAIK, is anti sex.

 

[Dutchman]

To be clear, I consider this a reasonable line of thinking: "For lack of a consenting partner, sex is not available to me, so I'll grab some porn instead".
I consider this a weird line of thinking: "Porn is banned and therefore not available to me, so I'll grab someone for sex instead".

 

[Dutchman]

Also, I think it can be safely assumed that if porn were banned, it would still be available, although illegal. People being what they are.

 

[Poem]

To be clear, I consider this a reasonable line of thinking: "For lack of a consenting partner, sex is not available to me, so I'll grab some porn instead".

Ignoring all the negative consequences set forth herein.

 

[Poem]

Also, I think it can be safely assumed that if porn were banned, it would still be available, although illegal. People being what they are.

indeed, like slavery.

 

[Dutchman]

indeed, like slavery.

Yes. And drugs. And alcohol, back in the 1920's. I'm glad we agree.

 

[Darat]

What I said:

A false analogy: take away automobiles and there would be no viable alternative; ban porn and regular sex is...well, right there still available as an alternative.

What a strange “point” to make.

 

[Poem]

What a strange “point” to make.

It is strange? How so?

 

[Poem]

Yes. And drugs. And alcohol, back in the 1920's. I'm glad we agree.

Yes, we are agreeing to an obvious truth. In the case of slavery though, perhaps not many would argue that therefore it shouldn't be banned.

Porn users have a vested interest in believing their performers are participating without some form of pressure.

 

[Dutchman]

Yes, we are agreeing to an obvious truth. In the case of slavery though, perhaps not many would argue that therefore it shouldn't be banned.

Porn users have a vested interest in believing their performers are participating without some form of pressure.

As to the highlighted, yes, the performers absolutely should be consenting adults. I support attempts to ensure that. As opposed to just imposing a ban.

 

[Poem]

As to the highlighted, yes, the performers absolutely should be consenting adults. I support attempts to ensure that. As opposed to just imposing a ban.

And we know that when someone watches porn they are absolutely assured that there has been no pressure, duress, inducement or manipulation applied to the performers - either from individuals or society or the system as a whole?

 

[Dutchman]

And we know that when someone watches porn they are absolutely assured that there has been no pressure, duress, inducement or manipulation applied to the performers - either from individuals or society or the system as a whole?

There need to be laws and law enforcement in place to ensure that. For that to work, it needs to be a legal activity, and not banned and therefore underground and shielded from scrutiny

 

[Poem]

There need to be laws and law enforcement in place to ensure that. For that to work, it needs to be a legal activity, and not banned and therefore underground and shielded from scrutiny

That wasn't the question. The porn user is assured of no pressure - yes or no?

 

[Dutchman]

That wasn't the question. The porn user is assured of no pressure - yes or no?

How would I know? I haven't watched the stuff in decades