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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Nothing that leads me to disagree with any of the following:
  • Porn does not engender "rape culture".
  • Legal adults portraying legal adults doing legal sex acts is not CSAM, and is not a slippery slope to CSAM.
  • A slippery slope argument does not call into question the a priori value of freedom of expression.
If you have an argument to make against any of those propositions, make it. In your own words. What's your conclusion, what's your evidence, and what's your reasoning that leads to that conclusion?
You didn't answer the question. Without specific concerns you cannot have reservations.

Why are you talking about legal adults portraying legal adults in the context of CSAM? The material that is relevant is legal adults simulating the underage. I am curious as to why you (and others) have adopted this mantra - it comes across as rather defensive. Why the faith in SCOTUS?
 
You didn't answer the question.
That's correct. I'd like to see you make your own arguments, in your own words, instead of trying to piece them together from my answers to your arbitrary questions.

Without specific concerns you cannot have reservations.
Of course you can. They just would be reservations not founded on specific concerns. Typically frowned upon, but not strictly speaking impossible.

Why are you talking about legal adults portraying legal adults in the context of CSAM? The material that is relevant is legal adults simulating the underage. I am curious as to why you (and others) have adopted this mantra - it comes across as rather defensive. Why the faith in SCOTUS?
If you have an argument to make, make it.
 
Of course you can. They just would be reservations not founded on specific concerns. Typically frowned upon, but not strictly speaking impossible.
Again, you have every right not to engage.

You wouldn't recommend porn and or prostitution as a career path (though you are unable to explain why), but you would recommend the utility of a POV for transportation.

Sexual intimacy is foundational when it comes to healthy relationships and fundamental to a healthy society. I think you know the threat that porn poses to that.
 
Again, you have every right not to engage.

You wouldn't recommend porn and or prostitution as a career path (though you are unable to explain why), but you would recommend the utility of a POV for transportation.
Not unable. Unwilling at this time.

Sexual intimacy is foundational when it comes to healthy relationships and fundamental to a healthy society. I think you know the threat that porn poses to that.
I know the risks I think porn poses to society. What I'd like to know is what risks you think porn poses, and what you propose we should do about, it and why.

I've alluded to some of the risks of porn, and I've already said that I don't favor a ban as a solution, and why. Now it's your turn to tell us more about what you think should be done, and why.

You can only argue so far, by harping on what other people dislike about porn. At some point, you'll need to bring your opinions to the table, and argue those.
 
Prostitution and porn are both sex for money. The two biggest distinctions are who the partner is, and where the money comes from.

Are these important distinctions, in the current context? Do they matter? Poem thinks no. Catsmate thinks yes. Neither wants to explain why.

Shambolic thread.
 
Prostitution and porn are both sex for money. The two biggest distinctions are who the partner is, and where the money comes from.

Are these important distinctions, in the current context? Do they matter? Poem thinks no. Catsmate thinks yes. Neither wants to explain why.

Shambolic thread.
Why do you care?
I think live-action pornography is a subset of prostitution. Beyond that, I'm not interested in taxonomic discussions.
 
As the person who started the thread and presumably wants to talk about these things, you're the main character here and it's a little silly to go pointing fingers when people tell you what it will take for them to be interested in engaging with you further on the subject you want to discuss.

"Hi! I brought brats, tell me if you like them"
"What's in them?"
"Tell me what's in your hot dogs"
"I don't feel like telling you that if you won't tell me what's in your brats."
"Why should I tell you, if you won't tell me what's in your hot dogs?"
"Crucially, I'm not here to try to convince anyone to eat my hot dogs."

Basically, nobody likes it when people demand engagement while ignoring what their interlocutors have said would make it worth their while to engage.
 
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I for one don't agree that the per se legitimacy of something can be questioned just because it might lead to a chain reaction that results in a negative outcome somewhere far down the line of alleged causality.

Operating an automobile can allow for drunk driving can lead to death of innocent bystanders. This does not call into question the per se legitimacy of driving a car. It might, however, call for strict(er) regulation of the activity.

In many cases, the per se legitimacy of something is related to its overall risk/reward to society. Risk from improper use of cars is less than the overall benefit to society of having such transportation options widely available to everyone. On the other hand, one could argue that the overall impact from emissions, infrastructure requirements, and radical recontextualization of the social fabric, taken together, calls into question the per se legitimacy of POVs.

In other cases, the per se legitimacy of something is axiomatic. The right to free speech, for example, is held by many (most? almost all?) to be axiomatically legitimate per se. No amount of bad speech or consequences of bad speech can call into question the per se legitimacy of the right to free speech.

Which brings us back to the question of strict scrutiny, when proposing to regulate things that are axiomatically legitimate, like pornographic expressions.
A false analogy: take away automobiles and there would be no viable alternative; ban porn and regular sex is...well, right there still available as an alternative.

Framing porn as legitimate expression is in conflict with the your own views:
Nobody is taking responsibility for teaching healthy sexual relationships to children.

Instead you're falling all over yourself, trying to make excuses for a porn industry that's spamming undifferentiated kinks to children without restraint.
....I think pornography has pernicious effects, and is unnecessary to a healthy and fulfilling life....
Would you say the equivalent of that about POVs or transportation in general?
 

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