Merged Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Ziggurat]

That you aren't following this thread closely is evident.

Indeed, as of late, I have not been following it closely as of late. Is that really any surprise? Why on earth would I? Little of value is being said.

And it's more than a little ironic for you to complain about other posters not lifting a finger when you refuse to. Except the difference is you're asking them to do it on behalf of your claims, whereas I'm asking you to do it on behalf of your claim, not mine.

And what a small finger lift it would be to just link to a post where you defined porn.

 

[Poem]

You know very well that this tangent started when I asked you whether the UNCRC agreed about a ban and that I never asked whether there where any random people who did, so all your replies to me about this have been disingenuous. My questions have been straightforward; i genuinely wanted to know whether there are experts who advocate for a ban. You could have said no, not that you know of, but instead you have been evasive. I am not discussing to score points, i have lived with teenage boys, and have done enough of that to last me several lifetimes, so count me out of your fun and games.

Nonsense.

You asked for others that want to ban porn and I responded. You did not explicitly say 'experts'.

 

[Poem]

Indeed, as of late, I have not been following it closely as of late.

Then why would I bother responding?

 

[Poem]

I have lifted quite a few fingers. Whenever I do, I don't find what you claim. You've worn out my willingness to lift more on your behalf. I suspect other posters may feel similarly.

What is totally evident is that you have zero response to the uncomfortable truth that porn is placed higher in priority than the safety of children.

 

[Ziggurat]

Then why would I bother responding?

It's entirely up to you whether or not you respond. I cannot compel you to answer. Yet I am still entitled to ask.

And I will continue to ask. What do you even mean when you say "porn"? What qualifies, what does not? Now, often times we use terms which we do not define or only define loosely, and that's not always a problem. But you aren't just talking in general terms. You have proposed instituting laws to regulate or prohibit porn. And laws need specific definitions. So your argument needs a specific definition. Vagaries an generalities will not suffice. So what is "porn", according to you?

What is totally evident is that you have zero response to the uncomfortable truth that porn is placed higher in priority than the safety of children.

I have zero response to a claim you make with zero evidence, and one with is riddled with obvious logical holes. That is correct.

 

[Myriad]

What is totally evident is that you have zero response to the uncomfortable truth that porn is placed higher in priority than the safety of children.

I place a high priority on keeping children safe from a lifetime of ingorance, repression, and priggishness.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

I place a high priority on keeping children safe from a lifetime of ingorance, repression, and priggishness.

...but not sampling bias!

 

[dirtywick]

this is just pages and pages of poem refusing to engage with any discussion lol

 

[theprestige]

What do western cultures have in place?

Age restrictions on access to porn, for example. A proven legal framework for regulating porn producers and publishers, and enforcing compliance with applicable laws.

 

[theprestige]

Nevertheless, they are bound by international law to ensure that children can safely access mass media. Countries with monist legal systems incorporate international law directly into their domestic legal systems without further action needed. Dualist legal systems have a duty to formally incorporate such international laws.

"International law" as you envision it here, does not exist. It has no authority, and creates no legal or moral obligation for any government.

 

[theprestige]

Can yo back that up?

[That children can access information they can understand on the internet.]

Yes, I can back that up:

1. It is axiomatic that children can access information on the Internet. You already believe this to be true.
2. Wikipedia exists on the Internet.

QED, HTH, HAND

 

[Poem]

Age restrictions on access to porn, for example.

Just to be clear - you are asserting that most western cultures have age restrictions (read: age restrictions that work) on access to porn?

 

[Poem]

[That children can access information they can understand on the internet.]

Yes, I can back that up:

1. It is axiomatic that children can access information on the Internet. You already believe this to be true.
2. Wikipedia exists on the Internet.

QED, HTH, HAND

Well that was a wasted post.

 

[theprestige]

Just to be clear - you are asserting that most western cultures have age restrictions (read: age restrictions that work) on access to porn?

Yes.

 

[theprestige]

Well that was a wasted post.

I never expected otherwise.

 

[Poem]

"International law" as you envision it here, does not exist. It has no authority, and creates no legal or moral obligation for any government.

childrensrightsreform.org:
In the Netherlands, the Constitution (art. 93 and 94) provides that international treaties ratified by the country (such as the CRC) form part of the domestic legal order and take precedence over Dutch legislation.

Yes.

Citation?

 

[theprestige]

childrensrightsreform.org:
In the Netherlands, the Constitution (art. 93 and 94) provides that international treaties ratified by the country (such as the CRC) form part of the domestic legal order and take precedence over Dutch legislation.

Citation?

ratified by the country

I.e., made into a national law. The CRC itself is not a law, international or otherwise. The Dutch constitution does not, in any way, shape or form, impose international treaties as law. All it says is that if the Netherlands ratifies the treaty as a national law, it is indeed a national law.

 

[arthwollipot]

Ultimately, you are siding with the pornographers. You have made that choice. As has most of society.

Siding with free speech, which in America is codified in the First Amendment, but which still exists as a legal principle in other countries.

 

[theprestige]

Citation?

I cite your own years of experience, encountering age restrictions on access to pornographic material, in whatever part of the west that you've been privileged enough to live in.

 

[Poem]

I cite your own years of experience, encountering age restrictions on access to pornographic material, in whatever part of the west that you've been privileged enough to live in.

You know as well as I do that the MO of the likes of Pornhub has been to merely ask that the user is over 18. That is anything but age restrictions that work.