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Helen said:
Prevarication? Sigh. When I asked if any of your sources advocate for a ban, you said yes. I asked for links, you suggested that I should do my own search. Not how it works. In #2,701, which i read today, you then linked to an organisation you have cited, and said they are not calling for a ban. I have no idea what "respond to what you asked for" means in that context.
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You didn't read it carefully.
 
Helen said:
Reread it (third time). You are still saying that they are not calling for a ban.
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The 'they' you are referring to is CEASE:
CEASE in the UK highlights the dangers of porn - though they don't appear to explicitly say they want to ban it.

That sentence does not apply to the rest of the post.
 
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Poem said:
You seem intent on preserving the status quo - that kids should not have a right to access the internet.
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That isn't the status quo. The status quo is to throw kids on the internet unsupervised.
Poem said:
One of the reasons for this denial is a desire for easy access to porn content. However, children do have a right to the internet
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Why do children have a right to the internet? You have appealed to the UN, but the UN isn't saying what you claim they are saying, there's no enforcement mechanism, and they aren't a moral authority either. So where did this supposed right come from? What's the logic behind it?
Poem said:
Ever wonder why society is so broken?
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Because of porn?

No. The prevalence of porn is primarily a symptom, not a cause.
Poem said:
BTW - using '◊◊◊◊' isn't going to help you.
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Your refusal to define porn isn't helping you.
 
Ziggurat said:
That isn't the status quo. The status quo is to throw kids on the internet unsupervised.

Why do children have a right to the internet? You have appealed to the UN, but the UN isn't saying what you claim they are saying, there's no enforcement mechanism, and they aren't a moral authority either. So where did this supposed right come from? What's the logic behind it?

Because of porn?

No. The prevalence of porn is primarily a symptom, not a cause.

Your refusal to define porn isn't helping you.
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Going round in circles.
Ultimately, you are siding with the pornographers. You have made that choice. As has most of society.
 
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Poem said:
Most posters are willing to lift a finger.
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I can understand your reluctance to state clearly who you are linking to in post 2,701. Senator Mike Lee of the US republican party is far from an expert on childhood development. His voice on this issue carries about as much weight as the friend you mentioned, who agrees with you. (Less, maybe, if your friend is a decent person; Mike Lee had great fun on twitter after the murders of democrats in Minnesota.)
 
Helen said:
I can understand your reluctance to state clearly who you are linking to in post 2,701. Senator Mike Lee of the US republican party is far from an expert on childhood development. His voice on this issue carries about as much weight as the friend you mentioned, who agrees with you. (Less, maybe, if your friend is a decent person; Mike Lee had great fun on twitter after the murders of democrats in Minnesota.)
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No reluctance whatsoever. You asked for someone else who is anti-porn and I did so in post 2,701. Nothing else you have written here is relevant.
 
Poem said:
No reluctance whatsoever. You asked for someone else who is anti-porn and I did so in post 2,701. Nothing else you have written here is relevant.
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You are being decidedly disingenuous; linking to a random person does nothing but emphasise the fact that the experts you like to cite do not share your view that porn should be banned. Which is fine, you have every right to think so, whether the experts you rely so heavily on regarding the potential for harm agree with you or not, but there's really no need to be dishonest about it.
 
Helen said:
You are being decidedly disingenuous; linking to a random person does nothing but emphasise the fact that the experts you like to cite do not share your view that porn should be banned. Which is fine, you have every right to think so, whether the experts you rely so heavily on regarding the potential for harm agree with you or not, but there's really no need to be dishonest about it.
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Where have I ever implied these experts share my view on a complete porn ban?

I did not just link to a random person - post 2701 is more than just that.
 
You know very well that this tangent started when I asked you whether the UNCRC agreed about a ban and that I never asked whether there where any random people who did, so all your replies to me about this have been disingenuous. My questions have been straightforward; i genuinely wanted to know whether there are experts who advocate for a ban. You could have said no, not that you know of, but instead you have been evasive. I am not discussing to score points, i have lived with teenage boys, and have done enough of that to last me several lifetimes, so count me out of your fun and games.
 
Poem said:
Most posters are willing to lift a finger.
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I have lifted quite a few fingers. Whenever I do, I don't find what you claim. You've worn out my willingness to lift more on your behalf. I suspect other posters may feel similarly.
 
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