Does Israel Have The Right To Exist?

Does Israel have the right to exist?

  • No they do not! they should be driven back into the sea

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • Yes, but they should return to the 1948 borders

    Votes: 29 41.4%

  • Yes, but return all land with the exception of Jerusalem

    Votes: 5 7.1%

  • Yes, and they should keep all land captured.

    Votes: 27 38.6%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
webfusion said:
Nobody has presented the map used by the Palestinians, which clearly shows their answer to the above Poll question:

http://www.sedmoykanal.com/data/images2005/03/21/FarewellToZionism-palestine-map-420.jpg
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I like the map. If the Israelis just changed the name of their country to Palestine, do you think they could trick the Pals into joining them and making it all one country?

What's in a name?

Palestine
Palestine
Wherefore art thou Palestine?

'Cos Brooklyn was taken!

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I like the map. If the Israelis just changed the name of their country to Palestine, do you think they could trick the Pals into joining them and making it all one country?
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Wow. That is a deliciously subversive solution, Darth. ; )
 
I'm voting with everybody.

Not really - just Cleon, Jackalgirl, and TA and anyone else who senses that this poll is poorly written and stinks of ulterior motives.

Whether or not Israel has a right to exist three generations (at least) after its founding is moot. They exist.

OTOH, the argument that the world just has to deal with that factor is also a quagmire. I think a few guys in Hamas (and perhaps the next member of the nuclear fraternity) would say that they are dealing with that particular reality, in their own way.

(And I didn't vote - the options don't deal with the real situation.)
 
a_u_p asks:
What does the map of Israel look like?
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If you are using a reference point of 1949 (Rhodes Armistice Lines) then that map is well-known, so I'm not sure why you are asking. The cease-fire lines became known as "Green Lines" because the Jewish National Fund planted the forests right up to those arbitrary lines in the sand, and from the air, these green areas were in stark contrast to the barren hills beyond.

They were not "borders" and merely represented a specific agreement (made at Rhodes) between Israel and Jordan to disengage their respective armed forces, and keep a respectful distance from each other. That agreement was breached in June 1967. So now, in 2007, to be hearing renewed demands from HAMAS terrorists and their supporters for a full Israeli return to those invisible lines in the sand, is absurd. In the extreme.



If you want to make the reference point a bit further back in time, then here is what Israel consisted of before the "catastrophe" of the declaration of the modern State:

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The obvious solution is for a more welcoming attitude towards jews, by islam.

As long as there is islamic fundamentalism which preaches far and wide that the jews are "sons of monkeys and pigs" -- then the issues that exist in Palestine will not be resolved. I have said it before and I will say it here again:

This is not a land dispute.
 
webfusion said:
The obvious solution is for a more welcoming attitude towards jews, by islam.

As long as there is islamic fundamentalism which preaches far and wide that the jews are "sons of monkeys and pigs" -- then the issues that exist in Palestine will not be resolved. I have said it before and I will say it here again:

This is not a land dispute.
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I have to agree with you the deeper root problem is this is a family dispute dating back to Abraham.
 
Thomas1016 said:
I have to agree with you the deeper root problem is this is a family dispute dating back to Abraham.
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SEE: http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/hebron.html


What guarantees will the palestinians make for free and open access for Jews to visit Hebron in safety once it is part of a New Palestine State?

If the past actions of the palestinians are any indication, they will not allow the jews to do so.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_josephstomb.php
 
casebro said:
The Isreali's took* that land and made a country. It was fair and square. That's the way it has always been done.

*actually, by the 40's, the Jews had bought up most of the land.
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Wait a minute.
Purchased the land from whom?
And under what governmental authority permitted these purchases?
More importantly, how did these legal agreements entitle the formation of a country?
 
kittenindublin said:
Should the US support Isreal as much as it does...QUOTE]

That's vague. Government support? Personal donations? Protecting it with our military?

Maybe if we decided to spell it "Isreal" the country would become more, um, "real."
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Thomas1016 said:
Hmmm, a large group of you guys seem to think Israel does not deserve to exist.....why?
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That would be the case if anyone took the poll, the thread or you at all seriously.

Fortunately, we realise that we're dealing with a third-rate idiot and almost all of the poll answers are false. But you feel free to make of it what you will. No doubt you can organise some anti-Joo propaganda at Stormfront or somewhere else. May I suggest a board where stupidity is valued more highly than it is here.
 
webfusion said:
The obvious solution is for a more welcoming attitude towards jews, by islam.

As long as there is islamic fundamentalism which preaches far and wide that the jews are "sons of monkeys and pigs" -- then the issues that exist in Palestine will not be resolved. I have said it before and I will say it here again:

This is not a land dispute.
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web..in all the time I have been on this forum I have never seen Jews called sons of monkeys and pigs....or anything close. I have seen quite a few times when Palestinians have been referred to as savages, backwards...bloodthirsty...you name it. Why is that do you think?

I also think that your proclamation that this is not a land dispute to be breathtaking. What is that all about then? Not a land dispute? Well...if its not a land dispute...then just give them the land...why not?

It seems to me that you simply want to attribute all conflict in the middle east to anti-semitism...forgiving yourself of any roll in the problems eh?
 
The Fool said:
web..in all the time I have been on this forum I have never seen Jews called sons of monkeys and pigs...
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All that changed, however, when, in late-September, a local television station in Cleveland aired a videotape of a 1991 speech Damra made while raising money for Palestinian Islamic Jihad. On that tape, he recommends the stabbing of Jews in Israel and urges the crowd to point "a rifle at the first and last enemy of the Islamic nation, and that is the sons of monkeys and pigs, the Jews."

So do you deny that it happens, or what?


Not just Palestinians. This guy is the head Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca:

Read the history to know that yesterday’s Jews are evil predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They an ingrate people, they altered God’s words, worshipped calf, killed Messengers and denied their Messages. They are exiled people and the worst of mankind. Allaah cursed them and cast His wrath upon them. He turned some of them to monkeys and pigs and worshippers of creatures. They are worst in position and are astray from the right path.

History of Jews is full of deception, trickery, rebellion, oppression, evil and corruption. They always seek to cause mischief on the earth and Allaah loves not the mischief-makers. They even insulted Allaah. The Quraan says,

“The Jews say: ‘Allaah’s Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty). Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered.’”
 
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Mycroft said:
All that changed, however, when, in late-September, a local television station in Cleveland aired a videotape of a 1991 speech Damra made while raising money for Palestinian Islamic Jihad. On that tape, he recommends the stabbing of Jews in Israel and urges the crowd to point "a rifle at the first and last enemy of the Islamic nation, and that is the sons of monkeys and pigs, the Jews."

So do you deny that it happens, or what?


Not just Palestinians. This guy is the head Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca:

Read the history to know that yesterday’s Jews are evil predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They an ingrate people, they altered God’s words, worshipped calf, killed Messengers and denied their Messages. They are exiled people and the worst of mankind. Allaah cursed them and cast His wrath upon them. He turned some of them to monkeys and pigs and worshippers of creatures. They are worst in position and are astray from the right path.

History of Jews is full of deception, trickery, rebellion, oppression, evil and corruption. They always seek to cause mischief on the earth and Allaah loves not the mischief-makers. They even insulted Allaah. The Quraan says,

“The Jews say: ‘Allaah’s Hand is tied up (i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty). Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered.’”
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I was refering to this forum..
 
The Fool said:
I was refering to this forum..
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Then your answer to Webfusion makes no sense. He did not claim that anyone in this forum called Jews pigs and monkeys.

Plenty of people have demonized them in other ways in these forums, though.
 
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