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Does God like to kill children

Satan (according to...) was once and still is an angel. In fact one of God's favorites. The fact he was expelled from heaven did not endow him with genitalia. Angels don't have sexes. (according to...) hence his being pissed off at people having fun and thus turning into an absolute dick was according to my great aunt Zula Belle the reason. (She also read tea leaves and had an ouiji board. and was way way more fun than any other aunts)
Little known fact... if you put rubbing alcohol and salt in a vessel and ignite it in the dark the light makes one look DEAD! Sweet sweet lady.
 
The Traveler said:
God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design.
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No, it doesn't indicate that at all.

Even if this hypothetical God is outside the Universe and therefore able to see everything that happened through all time, it doesn't mean mean everything played out according to His plans. Many passages in the OT indicate that God:-

1. Did not know what was going to happen ahead of time.

2. Intervened in an attempt to make things go the way He wanted, and failed.

I see God as an inventor who designs a Universe, then builds it and is horrified when it doesn't play out according to plan. Being 'outside time' He sees everything that happens, but it's not what He wanted. So He tries to change the result by intervening at certain times and places, but being an incompetent God He just screws it up more. Yes, He told us that certain events will take place, but that's just His plan. Free Will and the random nature of Quantum mechanics means that He can predict the probability of a particular outcome, but not guarantee that it will happen.

In reality God hasn't said or done anything for thousands of years. This suggests that He has given up trying to make the Universe do what He wants, and is just letting it play out by itself. His role has been reduced to that of a mere spectator, powerless to do anything but watch as the Universe and the people in it do their own thing.

The whole objective of the salvation message is the saving of our souls. Indicating that this is the only part of us that God has any real interest in, so the question is why and to what end.
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You obviously don't know what soul or salvation mean:-

In many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, the soul is the incorporeal essence of a living being. Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psykhḗ, of ψύχειν psýkhein, "to breathe", cf. Latin 'anima') comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, qualia, memory, perception, thinking, etc... The Koine Greek Septuagint uses ψυχή (psyche) to translate Hebrew נפש (nephesh), meaning "life, vital breath", and specifically refers to a mortal, physical life
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In essence, the word 'soul' refers to the property of living things that makes them different from inanimate objects, which in higher animals is their brain activity and in people is our mind or consciousness.


Salvation (from Latin: salvatio, from salva, 'safe, saved') is the state of being saved or protected from harm or a dire situation...

The Jewish concept of Messiah visualizes the return of the prophet Elijah as the harbinger of one who will redeem the world from war and suffering, leading mankind to universal brotherhood under the fatherhood of one God. The Messiah is not considered as a future divine or supernatural being but as a dominating human influence in an age of universal peace, characterized by the spiritual regeneration of humanity.
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So to 'save one's soul' essentially means to protect one from irreparable harm, either mental or physical. Today it is generally only used in the psychological sense, but in the past it was often also used to refer to the physical state of being alive.


The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed.
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Bad conclusion. Agricultural terminology was used simply because the audience related to it. But unlike in the movie Lifeforce, God is not a shape-shifting vampire who harvests people for their psychic energy like a farmer growing corn to make ethanol.

The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.
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The idea of a 'new Earth' and 'Heaven on Earth' is appealing to people in a dire situation where war, untreated disease and starvation are all around them. But be honest, does that describe your situation? Most of us here are living a life that is close to 'Heaven on Earth' compared to the conditions of people who lived in the times of the Bible. If there really is a God, perhaps He has already fulfilled His promise. I mean - iPhone 13, 85" 4K TV, Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese - what more could you possibly want?

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are harvested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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An interesting idea, but it has zero theological support and contradicts the accepted meaning of 'soul'. It also doesn't make sense as an agricultural strategy. Every farmer knows that stressing the crop just leads to poor yields.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Is this some sort of trial run of a new fantasy fiction book you are writing? Lots of presupposition of facts not in evidence, so you can make the plot move along nicely to a satisfying conclusion? Is it going to be a series of books? How about some added magic. Have you thought about having a young bespectacled hero who grows up to discover he is all-powerful and yet somehow related to the anti-hero?
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It reminds me of teh writing style, and quality, of Pox Dei.
 
The Traveler said:
You cannot threaten a poster with being reported to police and then expect them to engage you. And I'm not a troll, I was just defending my position.
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The threat of an eternity burning in hell has no effect on those that don't believe in it. Similarly the threat of being reported to the police has no effect on those that have done nothing wrong. If you are not legally prohibited from posting here I see nothing in your posts to excite the police.

Feel free to answer the many criticisms and questions concerning your interpretation of the bible.
 
The Traveler said:
You cannot threaten a poster with being reported to police and then expect them to engage you. And I'm not a troll, I was just defending my position.
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See, this is a discussion forum. It only works if you engage.

Regarding the threat, where was this made and in what context? Why not just ignore the threat if you haven't done anything that the police would care about?

People have been pointing out that your "position" is based upon fanciful wishful thinking and a deliberate ignoring of the book you're meant to be defending. Why not attempt to show us why we are wrong? Why are you avoiding defending your positions properly?
 
The Traveler said:
The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed. The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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The Traveler: this is not your conclusion. This is the plot of The Matrix.
 
Lothian said:
Many Christians have no problem with homosexuality. That said the demand is not that Christians embrace homosexuality. The demand is simply that you don't force your intolerance on others.
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The way I am reading it is that he thinks it is a satanic plot that Christians of that sort get called intolerant at all.

I hear that a lot. Christians of that sort get to call me a satanic pervert and that is them being all spiritual and holy.

But it is an unbearable burden on them if I say they are intolerant.

I am fine with them calling me a satanic pervert and so on. Why are they so triggered that I call them intolerant?
 
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The Traveler said:
You cannot threaten a poster with being reported to police and then expect them to engage you. And I'm not a troll, I was just defending my position.
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Gord gently pokes the possible troll with a sharp stick. It snarls. Gord thinks, "Hmm, reacts in a trollish fashion".
 
The Traveler said:
Its not that God hates children, its that he looks at the over all picture and does what has to be done to protect first his own nation and then the rest of his creation. Being a smart aleck and deliberately promoting that which will have a negative effect on his creation is going to get the same results that have been seen in ancient times as well. He even holds back until the time comes when he has to act. But when he does it is complete in its execution.
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I see. So we are all going to get the same treatment.

And who is going to be doing this for God?

Just who is it who is going to come down all Joshua on us?
 
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Robin said:
The way I am reading it is that he thinks it is a satanic plot that Christians of that sort get called intolerant at all.

I hear that a lot. Christians of that sort get to call me a satanic pervert and that is them being all spiritual and holy.

But it is an unbearable burden on them if I say they are intolerant.

I am fine with them calling me a satanic pervert and so on. Why are they so triggered that I call them intolerant?
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Because they Are Right and you (me, anyone else) Are Rong! Now why are you (me, anyone else) persecuting them?
 
Norman Alexander said:
And by "persecuting" they mean "asking difficult questions".
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Something like that.

Oh, and requiring them to observe the same work clothing regs as everyone else (see the nurse and the crucifix thing over here and the BA one). While having the freedom to have their buildings all over the place - FFS, our village of around 30 houses has 2 churches - the freedom to harangue you on the street, gthe freedom to knock on your door and harangue you, and all while being guranteed seats in the legislature, what with us still having an established religion.

And they don't like us asking why god wants to kill children, which he/she/it/they did/does all the sodding time.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
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And they don't like us asking why god wants to kill children, which he/she/it/they did/does all the sodding time.
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The prompt for this thread, followed the Traveller making a baby killer type remark referring to abortions. I pointed out that far more fertilized eggs fail to make it to a live birth than make it. Many women have miscarriages without realizing they are pregnant.
Apparently God kills them because humans are bad. Probably Eve's fault.
 
Lothian said:
Apparently God kills them because humans are bad. Probably Eve's fault.
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According the The Traveler it's a 'self correcting mechanism to prevent species drift' - when God does it. But if a woman has an abortion for the same (or any other) reason then she's a baby killer.

Which brings us to an important fact about God. You've heard of IOKIYAR. Well that applies even more to God. As the all-powerful supernatural being who created everything and is the source of all absolute morals, whatever He does is OK by definition.

He had His reasons for making us, and He has His reasons for killing us too. He even put a self-destruct mechanism in every one of us that guarantees we will have a limited lifespan. That means God isn't just responsible for a few deaths from war, flooding, or fire and brimstone. He has also killed every single person who died of 'old age' - which is a vastly higher number. He gives every baby a death sentence before they are even born! But that's OK, because He's God. :rolleyes:
 
MarkCorrigan said:
See, this is a discussion forum. It only works if you engage.

Regarding the threat, where was this made and in what context? Why not just ignore the threat if you haven't done anything that the police would care about?

People have been pointing out that your "position" is based upon fanciful wishful thinking and a deliberate ignoring of the book you're meant to be defending. Why not attempt to show us why we are wrong? Why are you avoiding defending your positions properly?
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It was here;

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13556484#post13556484

Now it is obvious that I am not someone who is forbidden from the net but the implication of the threat is also obvious.

Up to that point I was quite happy defending my position but I am also aware of the concept of right think and wrong think. The implication of that post is that if I do not shut up then they will be making life miserable for me. No there is nothing there that is illegal but the process of disproving the allegation is not worth the effort in this case.

You guys may want to be a bit more careful on whom you are interacting with here. The bag of dirty tricks to silence decent is, once opened, always open !
 
Roger Ramjets said:
According the The Traveler it's a 'self correcting mechanism to prevent species drift' - when God does it. But if a woman has an abortion for the same (or any other) reason then she's a baby killer.

Which brings us to an important fact about God. You've heard of IOKIYAR. Well that applies even more to God. As the all-powerful supernatural being who created everything and is the source of all absolute morals, whatever He does is OK by definition.

He had His reasons for making us, and He has His reasons for killing us too. He even put a self-destruct mechanism in every one of us that guarantees we will have a limited lifespan. That means God isn't just responsible for a few deaths from war, flooding, or fire and brimstone. He has also killed every single person who died of 'old age' - which is a vastly higher number. He gives every baby a death sentence before they are even born! But that's OK, because He's God. :rolleyes:
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Could you get things anymore back to front.
 
The Traveler said:
It was here;

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13556484#post13556484

Now it is obvious that I am not someone who is forbidden from the net but the implication of the threat is also obvious.

Up to that point I was quite happy defending my position but I am also aware of the concept of right think and wrong think. The implication of that post is that if I do not shut up then they will be making life miserable for me. No there is nothing there that is illegal but the process of disproving the allegation is not worth the effort in this case.

You guys may want to be a bit more careful on whom you are interacting with here. The bag of dirty tricks to silence decent is, once opened, always open !
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No. No that isn't it at all. There was suspicion you were someone who IS banned from being online. The threat was based on the assumption you were that person.

No one will report you to the police unless you do something seriously bad like threaten to kill someone.

Now, will you address people's points or just continue to deflect?
 
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