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Does God like to kill children

Well, in the Bible he at least does - positively incites to slaughter all Canaanites, including pregnant women, so that would indicate that in some cases even abortion is not only allowed but positively commanded. Joshua was one nasty genocidal bastard according to the Bible.
 
llwyd said:
Well, in the Bible he at least does - positively incites to slaughter all Canaanites, including pregnant women, so that would indicate that in some cases even abortion is not only allowed but positively commanded. Joshua was one nasty genocidal bastard according to the Bible.
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If you believe in invisible Sky-Daddy, then yes indeed, you must accept the fact that not only is a God a child murderer, he is a serial mass-murderer who clearly enjoys his handiwork...

Genesis 6-8
The ruthless murder by drowning of everyone on the planet (which must necessarily have included pregnant mothers, babies and children), bar Noah and a few hangers-on.

Genesis 18-19
The cold-blooded murder of pregnant women and children in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, all so he could own the gays.

Exodus 11-12
As mentioned by TheGoldCountry, the first mass murder that specifically targets babies and children - the extermination of Egyptian firstborn sons during Passover

After these three, God gets a bit canny. Perhaps thinking that his devoted followers will start to become suspicious about all this mass-murder, he decides to get someone else to do his dirty work for him so that he gets plausible deniability.

Numbers 21:2-3
As mentioned in the quote, God gets Joshua and Moses to orchestrate the The mass slaughter of the Canaanites... lots of children among them

1 Samuel 15.
Here God gets Saul to arrange the mass murder of the Amalekites, babies and children among them.

Yep, there is little doubt that God is a genocidal maniac, who will commit mass infanticide on a whim.

But he loves everyone. :rolleyes:
 
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smartcooky said:
If you believe in invisible Sky-Daddy, then yes indeed, you must accept the fact that not only is a God a child murderer, he is a serial mass-murderer who clearly enjoys his handiwork...

Genesis 6-8
The ruthless murder by drowning of everyone on the planet (which must necessarily have included pregnant mothers, babies and children), bar Noah and a few hangers-on.

Genesis 18-19
The cold-blooded murder of pregnant women and children in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, all so he could own the gays...

Yep, there is little doubt that God is a genocidal maniac, who will commit mass infanticide on a whim.
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Lots of speculation there. How do you know that God enjoys killing people?

On August 6 1945 President Harry S. Truman gave the order to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing ~140,000 people - most of them women and children. So Truman was a genocidal maniac who enjoyed murdering babies, right? Or was he making the best of a bad situation using the only tools he had?

The real problem with the Hebrew God wasn't the killing - people everywhere were already doing plenty of that - it was that He wasn't capable of finding a better solution. In fact He was so powerless that all those people probably would have died in the exact same way without Him!

You only have to read the Bible to realize that this God was not the all-powerful supernatural being His followers thought Him to be. Rather than being a genocidal maniac who killed people for kicks, He was actually an incompetent god whose 'perfect' creation went awry right from the start. He populated the Earth with all kinds of animals, who promptly set upon killing and eating each other. But He didn't learn from that, creating humans with the same needs and desires. Or perhaps that was the only way He knew how?

What's even worse is He couldn't even keep His own lab assistants in line. I bet He wasn't happy about having to hose down the area and start again after some of them stuck their dicks in the experiment. Unfortunately the second attempt wasn't much better, as the new batch of humans were tainted with something that made them act erratically. He blamed that on one of His assistants too, who He kicked out of the lab (the guy then became a prosecutor, and still worked for God on some contract Jobs).

But He stuck with it and the humans multiplied, becoming even more unmanageable as their numbers increased. It wasn't long before they turned the tables on Him and insisted that He help them win their wars etc., or they would stop listening to Him. Nothing He tried made much difference. He sent them written instructions on how to behave, but few followed them and many (deliberately?) misinterpreted the words. Finally He created a 'perfect' human by cross-breeding with some of His own DNA, but most of the humans couldn't handle that uncanny valley so they killed it. After that failure He gave up and just let the experiment run by itself.
 
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Roger Ramjets said:
Lots of speculation there. How do you know that God enjoys killing people?

On August 6 1945 President Harry S. Truman gave the order to drop an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing ~140,000 people - most of them women and children. So Truman was a genocidal maniac who enjoyed murdering babies, right? Or was he making the best of a bad situation using the only tools he had?

The real problem with the Hebrew God wasn't the killing - people everywhere were already doing plenty of that - it was that He wasn't capable of finding a better solution. In fact He was so powerless that all those people probably would have died in the exact same way without Him!

You only have to read the Bible to realize that this God was not the all-powerful supernatural being His followers thought Him to be. Rather than being a genocidal maniac who killed people for kicks, He was actually an incompetent god whose 'perfect' creation went awry right from the start. He populated the Earth with all kinds of animals, who promptly set upon killing and eating each other. But He didn't learn from that, creating humans with the same needs and desires. Or perhaps that was the only way He knew how?

What's even worse is He couldn't even keep His own lab assistants in line. I bet He wasn't happy about having to hose down the area and start again after some of them stuck their dicks in the experiment. Unfortunately the second attempt wasn't much better, as the new batch of humans were tainted with something that made them act erratically. He blamed that on one of His assistants too, who He kicked out of the lab (the guy then became a prosecutor, and still worked for God on some contract Jobs).

But He stuck with it and the humans multiplied, becoming even more unmanageable as their numbers increased. It wasn't long before they turned the tables on Him and insisted that He help them win their wars etc., or they would stop listening to Him. Nothing He tried made much difference. He sent them written instructions on how to behave, but few followed them and many (deliberately?) misinterpreted the words. Finally He created a 'perfect' human by cross-breeding with some of His own DNA, but most of the humans couldn't handle that uncanny valley so they killed it. After that failure He gave up and just let the experiment run by itself.
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Thank you for at least putting some thought into your reply

Ok lets look at this from another angle and use some logical deductions here !

God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design. Of course this is where the idea of predestination come in, but there has to be a reason for this action.

The whole objective of the salvation message is the saving of our souls. Indicating that this is the only part of us that God has any real interest in, so the question is why and to what end. The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed. The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
 
The Traveler said:
Thank you for at least putting some thought into your reply

Ok lets look at this from another angle and use some logical deductions here !

God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design. Of course this is where the idea of predestination come in, but there has to be a reason for this action.

The whole objective of the salvation message is the saving of our souls. Indicating that this is the only part of us that God has any real interest in, so the question is why and to what end. The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed. The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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Is this some sort of trial run of a new fantasy fiction book you are writing? Lots of presupposition of facts not in evidence, so you can make the plot move along nicely to a satisfying conclusion? Is it going to be a series of books? How about some added magic. Have you thought about having a young bespectacled hero who grows up to discover he is all-powerful and yet somehow related to the anti-hero?
 
The Traveler said:
To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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Let me take a wild guess: you're probably one of those souls worth keeping, aren't ya?
 
The Traveler said:
Thank you for at least putting some thought into your reply

Ok lets look at this from another angle and use some logical deductions here !

God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design. Of course this is where the idea of predestination come in, but there has to be a reason for this action.

The whole objective of the salvation message is the saving of our souls. Indicating that this is the only part of us that God has any real interest in, so the question is why and to what end. The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed. The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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So for God it's just some sort of silly game?

He's omnipotent and could just design things better so that no one suffered. Or he could just pleasure Himself and leave us alone.
 
If this god is omnipotent and infallible, in addition to being omniscient, then one has to ask why it didn't just create the cosmos as it wanted it in the first place. Seems rather a petty god to blame its creations for its own mistakes.
 
About the thing with the children of Egypt, as a story it does not make sense.

After some miracles the pharaoh wants to let the Jews leave, but then God hardens his heart to kill children so the Jews can leave.

I wonder if the base story originally had the Gods of Egypt be the ones that harden the pharaoh's heart. Story-wise that makes sense, two (sets of) Gods competing to see who is more powerful. But once the Jews went monotheistic they replaced the part of the Egyptian Gods with their own.
 
The Traveler said:
Thank you for at least putting some thought into your reply

Ok lets look at this from another angle and use some logical deductions here !

God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design. Of course this is where the idea of predestination come in, but there has to be a reason for this action.

The whole objective of the salvation message is the saving of our souls. Indicating that this is the only part of us that God has any real interest in, so the question is why and to what end. The conclusion I have come to is that this universe is Gods soul plantation, hence in the parables etc it is agricultural terminology that is employed. The obvious conclusion is that the creation story is not yet over but simply going through a specific stage. Hence the new heavens and new earth promised in the future.

To develop a decent soul requires a bit of stress to help with development and test the final product. You do not want to put a bad soul into an immortal body with real power as that would result in real problems down the line. Hence the intoduction of the kingdom of Satan in opposition to the kingdom of God to stress prove the crop of souls a bit. From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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Everything in the quoted post is indistinguishable from a god not existing and things just happening.

The presupposition of a god with a particular set of attributes is the flaw in the argument, particularly as the same presupposition allows for any number of gods by the same logic. Why should your creation story stake precedence except for the reason that was the religion you were born into?
 
The Traveler said:
Thank you for at least putting some thought into your reply

Ok lets look at this from another angle and use some logical deductions here !

God states that he sees the beginning from the end indicating that he is outside of the natural universe and passage of time looking in. That indicates that he knew in advance of the rise of the kingdom of Satan and the subsequent fall of man, but he let it all happen and play out which then indicates that this is all by design. Of course this is where the idea of predestination come in, but there has to be a reason for this action.
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God made Satan to .......... right.
 
The Traveler said:
From Gods perspective those souls worth keeping are havested and the rest are rejected as a form of quality control.
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You seem to suggest that rather than enjoying killing kids he just doesn't care about the grotty little lab rats.

I recall only 144,,000 male virgins will actually be saved. I guess we need to add women to the list of those he doesn't give a toss about.

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My dear little niece has an incurable genetic condition that will probably kill her before too long.

Screw any apologists trying to shoehorn their monstrous deity into that scenario.
 
Isn't this just like the 40th billionth way "The Problem of Evil" has been reworded?

If there's a God, he's the greatest monster in history. There is literally way to intellectually or morally argue against that. It's why religion (and recently politics but that's basically become religion) is the only thing that needs "Apologetics" to be an entire parallels with it.
 
Lothian said:
You seem to suggest that rather than enjoying killing kids he just doesn't care about the grotty little lab rats.

I recall only 144,,000 male virgins will actually be saved. I guess we need to add women to the list of those he doesn't give a toss about.

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For a deity that doesn't really LIKE killing kids, he does seem to do an awful lot of it! ;)
 
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