Does God ever fail to keep his promises?

[MattusMaximus]

The believers who wash up here never specify the god that they are referring to.

Yeah, for the most part I've noticed the same thing. But it's not just here.

This past spring I took a philosophy of religion course, and one of the believers there asked me what would be sufficient evidence for the existence of God (in my mind), which I took to be a fair question. However, I told them that in order for me to address their question, we'd have to pin down a hard definition of "God" from which to progress the discussion...

... and the conversation stopped. They literally refused to define "God". It's almost as if they want to leave it as open and wishy-washy as possible so that you cannot really ever criticize their arguments.

 

[dafydd]

Yeah, for the most part I've noticed the same thing. But it's not just here.

This past spring I took a philosophy of religion course, and one of the believers there asked me what would be sufficient evidence for the existence of God (in my mind), which I took to be a fair question. However, I told them that in order for me to address their question, we'd have to pin down a hard definition of "God" from which to progress the discussion...

... and the conversation stopped. They literally refused to define "God". It's almost as if they want to leave it as open and wishy-washy as possible so that you cannot really ever criticize their arguments.

An imaginary being can be anything you want it to be. I assume that the first post in this thread was made by a hit and run poster.

 

[The Norseman]

People generally prefer bound situations which reduce the need to spend time figuring things out and allow for apparent stability. For a large number it reaches the point where they happily construct or accept some other's construction of a safe reality with special procedures/activities/talismans (etc.) designed to maintain this construct. The OP is a fine example of this.

Oh, not you too!

 

[mikeb768]

God promised Nebuchadrezzar would raze Tyre to the ground. Tyre is still standing to this day.

God promised he would make Egypt desolate for 40 years. It has never been desolate.

God promised the Jews control of a large portion of the Middle East. The Jews have never owned or controlled as much land as God said they would.

Jesus promised he would return within one generation. It's been 2,000 years and we're still waiting.

Looks more like evidence that God did not write the Bible, don't ya think.

 

[mikeb768]

Anne Sexton worked columns of meaning into her poetry and wrote her life's work in stages.

Can please post some type of similar works which Anne Sexton made that fit with this topic? This way we may compare them in size and scale.

 

[Garrison]

Looks more like evidence that God did not write the Bible, don't ya think.

Yeah that was just a bunch of stuff made up men but your favourite holy book is the real deal of course...

 

[mikeb768]

The believers who wash up here never specify the god that they are referring to.

[Quran 21:22] "Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides God (Allah), they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah , Lord of the Throne, above what they describe."

Allah being Arabic word for "The God". The God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, David, Isaac, Ismael, Muhammad, and many other righteous messengers who all sent to mankind to remind them and as a warning.

 

[dafydd]

[Quran 21:22] "Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides God (Allah), they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah , Lord of the Throne, above what they describe."

Allah being Arabic word for "The God". The God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, David, Isaac, Ismael, Muhammad, and many other righteous messengers who all sent to mankind to remind them and as a warning.

I know that warning. ''Don't believe the tosh that you read in 'holy' books.''

 

[mikeb768]

Yeah that was just a bunch of stuff made up men but your favourite holy book is the real deal of course...

Not exactly, it is easy to see that although the Bible contains many truths it also contains a great deal of false and conflicting information and has no doubt been altered by man on numerous occasions (something which is still taking place even to this day).

List of Bible verses not included in modern translations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

 

[dafydd]

''During the battle a Norman eyewitness noticed that the Turks went into the attack with a distinctive war-cry: 'These Turks began, all at once, to howl and gabble and shout, saying with loud voices in their own language something which I do not understand.'' Tancred's biographer, Radulph of Caen, explained that this 'devilish word' was 'Allachibar', that is, 'Allah Akhbar' or 'God is great'. The two sides were hurling themselves into battle against each other, one side yelling 'God's will! God's will! God's will!' and the other 'God is great!'. Both sides were addressing the same god. Neither could understand what the other was saying''.- Crusades, by Terry Jones and Allan Ereira.

A perfect example of the madness of religion.

 

[steve s]

Looks more like evidence that God did not write the Bible, don't ya think.

Allah being Arabic word for "The God". The God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, David, Isaac, Ismael, Muhammad, and many other righteous messengers who all sent to mankind to remind them and as a warning.

Now this is confusing. You don't believe god wrote the bible, but you believe he is the god of Adam, Noah, Moses, et al. (You know, those guys that are found in.............the bible.)

Steve S

 

[mikeb768]

Why do insane forms of numerology have such a hold on certain kinds of human mind?

The irony is that all of the posts which have been made to try and discredit “numbers and arithmetic” (by label these things as something different than what they actually are) are being made by individuals who are either sitting behind or holding a piece of technology which depends on numbers and arithmetic.

Not only that but all of these mentioned devices preform basic addition (just as I have shown) as well as many more complex calculations and require accuracy to the degree that if just one “0” and one “1” are interchanged the system does not work.

From now on I opt we should only entertain posts where the poster cries “Numerology” which have been made from devices which operate without the help of numbers, calculations, CPUs, etc. If you respond with any of the following words or phrases “ Numerology!”, “Witchcraft!”, “Magic!” can you please also submit a picture of your non calculating/ non arithmetic based device for the enjoyment of us all. With pulleys and gears you may have your work cut out, but from what I have heard vacuum tubes are both quiet and leave only a very small carbon footprint.

 

[Dissolution]

Not exactly, it is easy to see that although the Bible contains many truths it also contains a great deal of false and conflicting information and has no doubt been altered by man on numerous occasions (something which is still taking place even to this day).

List of Bible verses not included in modern translations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

I thought that the Bible was also the word of Allah and that it was impossible to change the word of Allah?
That seems a little contradictory.

You do know that people have made similar claims about numerology and other faiths, right?
Someone also found the secret Assassination Code in Moby Dick:
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

Miraculous stuff, isn't it?

 

[Dissolution]

The irony is that all of the posts which have been made to try and discredit “numbers and arithmetic” (by label these things as something different than what they actually are) are being made by individuals who are either sitting behind or holding a piece of technology which depends on numbers and arithmetic.

Not only that but all of these mentioned devices preform basic addition (just as I have shown) as well as many more complex calculations and require accuracy to the degree that if just one “0” and one “1” are interchanged the system does not work.

From now on I opt we should only entertain posts where the poster cries “Numerology” which have been made from devices which operate without the help of numbers, calculations, CPUs, etc. If you respond with any of the following words or phrases “ Numerology!”, “Witchcraft!”, “Magic!” can you please also submit a picture of your non calculating/ non arithmetic based device for the enjoyment of us all. With pulleys and gears you may have your work cut out, but from what I have heard vacuum tubes are both quiet and leave only a very small carbon footprint.

Numerology ≠ mathematics.
What you've just said is roughly equivalent to claiming that anyone who doubts dowsing shouldn't drink water.

 

[A'isha]

[Quran 21:22] "Had there been within the heavens and earth gods besides God (Allah), they both would have been ruined. So exalted is Allah , Lord of the Throne, above what they describe."

Allah being Arabic word for "The God". The God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, David, Isaac, Ismael, Muhammad, and many other righteous messengers who all sent to mankind to remind them and as a warning.

So your argument is that Allah is the greatest because you can use the Qur'an to perform some rather lame and unimpressive numerological tricks (just as long as you leave out some verses from your calculations first)?

 

[mikeb768]

Numerology ≠ mathematics.

I don's see any vacuum tubes Dissolution?
And yes Adding Numbers = Math (also known as mathematics, sometimes referred to as arithmetic).

 

[A'isha]

I don's see any vacuum tubes Dissolution?

Just the vacuum in the logic of your posts.

And yes Adding Numbers = Math (also known as mathematics, sometimes referred to as arithmetic).

Numerology (what you're doing) is not mathematics or arithmetic. Would you like me to provide Wikipedia links to help you understand?

 

[mikeb768]

I thought that the Bible was also the word of Allah

Yes you may have, and you thought wrong. Just to bring you up to speed, God did not write the Bible. Also if you read my previous post you can see that I never made such a claim.

 

[A'isha]

Yes you may have, and you thought wrong. Just to bring you up to speed, God did not write the Bible. Also if you read my previous post you can see that I never made such a claim.

So, when the Qur'an talks about how Allah sent down the Tawrat and the Injil, it's wrong?

 

[mikeb768]

Numerology (what you're doing) is not mathematics or arithmetic. Would you like me to provide Wikipedia links to help you understand?

I was not able to edit my original post to include the example picture but here it is.



I have went to the trouble of removing all traces of Witchcraft and Magic only leaving behind the numbers some of which have been added together in a somewhat spooky manner. Please accept my apologies for bringing this Witchcraft into your homes.