Docker's OKC Bombing Conspiracy Thread

Arkan_Wolfshade said:
You're painting with an awfully broad brush there Drew. Every board, since the dawn of BBS's, has had its spectrum of posters. This forum is no different; though I do think this forum has a better signal-to-noise ratio than most.
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The same brush is used here though.

Someone posted something about nuclear bombs or star wars rays and linked it to the whole truth movement. I have never heard of that "theory" before.

By the same token, I could link all that agree with the official story as racist because someone from their "group" made numerous racist comments.


I just got called a nutter because I "appear" to be going against the majority here.

The same thing happened when I went to a government involved conspiracy theory forum and went against their actions towards personal attacks.
 
Dazed said:
Just out of curiousity, does the bomb squad usually pull one of these?

Dispatch: We've got a bomb in the murrah building!

Bomb squad: Quick, get a man over there to set up fake bombs, this is the training opportunity of a lifetime!
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Would you want to assume that any devices that looked like explosives were only training devices, considering the building had just been struck by car bomb? That strikes me as accidental Monday-morning-quarterbacking/9-12-thinking
 
Drew said:
The same brush is used here though.

Someone posted something about nuclear bombs or star wars rays and linked it to the whole truth movement. I have never heard of that "theory" before.

By the same token, I could link all that agree with the official story as racist because someone from their "group" made numerous racist comments.


I just got called a nutter because I "appear" to be going against the majority here.

The same thing happened when I went to a government involved conspiracy theory forum and went against their actions towards personal attacks.
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Individuals may be using hasty generalizations against the "Truth Movement", but that neither excuses, nor defends your same use of the same logical fallacy. If you find the forum to be homogeneous, and not up to your standards, why are you posting here?
 
Dazed said:
Just out of curiousity, does the bomb squad usually pull one of these?

Dispatch: We've got a bomb in the murrah building!

Bomb squad: Quick, get a man over there to set up fake bombs, this is the training opportunity of a lifetime!
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The bombs were stored in the building, not planted. The bomb squad did not know they were disarmed and did not wait around to find out if they belonged to BATF.
 
Drew said:
Again, it's just people posting things in a forum. Whether I'm with the prosecution or the defence, I can find "experts" to fit my theory or theories of what happened.

If you believe the news reports, there were bombs in the building.

Half the population thought OJ was guilty...Half thought he was innocent. People talked about things that fit in with their beliefs.
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Yes, as we know, news reports are never wrong.
 
Neat. Do they store fake bombs in all buildings?

I would probably assume any suspicious devices I found in a building that had just been bombed were bombs, I think, Arkan.
 
Dazed said:
Neat. Do they store fake bombs in all buildings?
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I can't answer that, but do you think it is unusual for a Federal department that has to deal with firearms, bombs and munitions to have practice bombs available for training?
 
Dazed said:
No. I thought from the comments made here that they knew they weren't real bombs.
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10:28 a.m. - Rescuers find what they think is a second bomb. All rescuers are ordered to leave the building, and police clear a four-block area around the building. Police take this opportunity to establish a firm perimeter so they can allow only qualified rescuers back in the building.

11:22 a.m. - The bomb squad reports that there is no second bomb. The suspected bombs were simulators used in training.
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http://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/his22.htm

Remember, the local rescuers and PD don't have a full inventory of all the stuff in the BATF's offices when they rush in to save people.
 
kookbreaker said:
http://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/his22.htm

Remember, the local rescuers and PD don't have a full inventory of all the stuff in the BATF's offices when they rush in to save people.
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Dazed may have confused the fact that it is now common knowledge that they were training devices with what was known on that day. An understandable misinterpration.

Given that we have cleared that up, are we in agreement that there were no secondary explosive devices, that were not training aids, in the building?
 
So it looks like your argument has been debunked Drew. Unless you're claiming that they only SAID they were simulated bombs because there was a coverup. And you know you are.
 
Dazed said:
No. I thought from the comments made here that they knew they weren't real bombs.
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Which comments?
The one that quoted a report saying:
"11:22 a.m. - The bomb squad reports that there is no second bomb. The suspected bombs were simulators used in training."?
The one that said, "they turned out to be harmless"?
The one that said, "The bomb squad did not know they were disarmed"?
Or the one that said, "would you assume any devices, that appeared to be explosives, were training materials for the BATF?"
 
Drew said:
HUH??? You need someone to bebunk something? What is going to make you believe their debunk over the thing you want debunked?

Both sides clearly pick and choose certain things they want to talk about.
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I follow evidence. Evidence I have makes me suspicious of certain claims. If nobody can debunk it then perhaps there's something to it. This is why I may ask for such a debunking.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Which comments?
The one that quoted a report saying:
"11:22 a.m. - The bomb squad reports that there is no second bomb. The suspected bombs were simulators used in training."?
The one that said, "they turned out to be harmless"?
The one that said, "The bomb squad did not know they were disarmed"?
Or the one that said, "would you assume any devices, that appeared to be explosives, were training materials for the BATF?"
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Yes, even the one you quoted sounds like it to me.
"The bomb squad reports that there is no second bomb. The suspected bombs were simulators used in training."

I took this to mean, simulators the bomb squad used in training, implying they were running a training excercise during the actual event, hence my obnoxious comments.
 
Drew said:
Again, it's just people posting things in a forum. Whether I'm with the prosecution or the defence, I can find "experts" to fit my theory or theories of what happened.
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Skeptics may not be as gullible as the average jury, though.

Again, calling me a nutter proves you have no credibility.

Everything you post before and after that has absolutely no value.
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Everything he said has no value BECAUSE he called you a nutter ?

Again...The people here don't seem to grasp to purpose of my posts.

Just as they didn't at the other forum.
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Well, are news reports often wrong in the heat of the moment, or not ?
 
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