Do atheists assist Islamic radicals?

Travis said:
In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.

I hope the mods don't mind both threads. The other one is supposed to be about the political side.
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That is one of the most patently absurd things I've hear in years.
 
Travis said:
In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.

I hope the mods don't mind both threads. The other one is supposed to be about the political side.
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I can't imagine a functional atheist (except a radical for some political side - like the anarchists) doing something stupid and evil like that.
 
mikeyx said:
Travis said:
2) I believe that atheism as a whole wants to fight Islamic Radicalism as much as anyone.
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Commies would have us believe that to.
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Do you know the history of the Afghan-Russian conflict?

Well according to history that is EXACTLY what the communists did....they fought Islamic Fundamentalists and terrorists who wanted to stop all the non-islamic reforms the Afghani Communist government was instituting

The western world called them freedom fighters then and Reagan gave them money and weapons and intelligence from satellites and full support with CIA operatives teaching and training the moslim terrorists on how to use the considerable and effective armaments they were supplying them.... of course they were called Mujahedeen and freedom fighters then because they were only killing Russians and Afghani commies

Unfortunately those very same dastards that Reagan created became the Islamic fundamentalists we now call terrorists because once they finished with the "infidel ATHEIST commies" they turned their attention to the "infidel imperialists" armed with the weapons and training afforded them by Reagan.
 
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phunk said:
That statement doesn't imply that he hates god. It implies that christians ask that stupid strawman question "why do you hate god" all of the time.
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Imply? It was a straight request to ask what was the reason for hating God - unless you succumb to the idea that Christians ask the question "all the time" and sense that some attempt to breath the life into irony has been made.

The most Christian-to-atheist converts hate God for forgetting to bring miracles into their lives. That means they convert via maltheism to see if that "I hate You" would affect God's omniscient mind. When they realize that God got pissed and mulls punishment, they quickly switch from maltheism to atheism for safety, coz if God doesn't exist, he can't kick your butt.
 
epix said:
Imply? It was a straight request to ask what was the reason for hating God - unless you succumb to the idea that Christians ask the question "all the time" and sense that some attempt to breath the life into irony has been made.

The most Christian-to-atheist converts hate God for forgetting to bring miracles into their lives. That means they convert via maltheism to see if that "I hate You" would affect God's omniscient mind. When they realize that God got pissed and mulls punishment, they quickly switch from maltheism to atheism for safety, coz if God doesn't exist, he can't kick your butt.
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You cannot expect a person who just woke up from a coma to be able to use his muscles and brain effectively..... it takes time for them to train the muscles and regain faculties.

So yes...some of them were not able to reason rationally under the stupefying effects of religion for so long that they are not able to rationalize.

But waking up for whatever reason is a step in the right direction.

Given some time AWAKE they might be able to start SEEING things the way they are and not have a pall over their brain blocking out any rays of reason and rationality.
 
Robrob said:
Twenty years ago atheists were (supposedly) hand in had with "godless communism." Today it's "godless (well, the wrong god) Islam." Twenty years from now it'll be the"godless Buddhists" or some such.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for
"atheists are hand in hand with our Godless Alien overseers"
or if theology has moved on a little
"atheists are hand in hand with our Alien overseers who's very existence proves there's no God"

:D

epix said:
if God doesn't exist, he can't kick your butt.
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I seem to recall the last time he mixed it up with a mortal, he got his ass kicked
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+32:23-34&version=KJV
:p
 
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I don't hate God any more than I hate Sauron. They are both fictional characters.
 
epepke said:
I don't hate God any more than I hate Sauron. They are both fictional characters.
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erm, I hate Sauron, just a little bit, because of what he did to the Ents
is that ok or should I seek help ?
;)
 
Minoosh said:
For example can there be martyrs to atheism? It doesn't sound right. An atheist told to "convert or we'll torture and/or kill you" would be likely to do whatever to get the radicals off his back and then go about his (or her) business.

You need two sides, each believing God is on their side, to keep the conflict going.
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Just as an input regarding thread question, christians might consider the atheists have no real values for which they would be ready to fight and die. So if it is atheists vs islamists the christian assumes the atheists will surrender with little pressure, because they stand for nothing and therefore have no will to fight and sacrifice.

The argument that the atheist have shown enough backbone in the struggle vs christianity in the last centuries, is not valid in christians view, because christianity (at least in the view of a christian) is a religion of non-violence, love and forgiveness and therefore the atheists did not deal with christianity, but just with some abberant christians,who did not get the message.

Regarding the two sides for conflict, a christian will consider this a wrong argument, because it assumes that the ideas behind the sides are irrelevant and that the collapse of one side (e.g. christians leaving the atheists alone vs the islamists) would cause the other side to become peaceful. If the ideas are not irrelevant (which the christian believes, otherwise he would not prefer one religion over the other), then the conflict might not end, if it in part was caused by ideas of the non-collapsing side.

So in a christians eyes atheists attacking christianity is attacking the thing that is necessary for the defense of his freedom to attack it, which is at least stupid from christian point of view and if done consciously or due to a lazy studying of the "facts" morally wrong.

Note that i cannot prove any of this positions here, i just state them, so you might understand, why christians might assume that atheists are in effect assisting islamic radicals.
 
dafydd said:
We live in the real world where nobody has ever provided a shred of proof that a god exists. A stupid article. You're right, I can't ask a non-existent sky daddy for more news like that. Well spotted.
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No, you can't, but the non-atheists can. You know, I realized that it was ill-mannered to say that atheism hardly make any news, coz it could hurt your feeling. And so I asked God for more news like this
Christopher Hitchens, atheist intellectual, dies at 62
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http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...igion-poisons-christopher-hitchens-carol-blue

Too bad that you denied yourself the opportunity to learn how kind our God the Lord is.
North Korean Leader Kim Jong Il Dead at 69
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45719209/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/
That's a very sad news for the Atheist State of North Korea.

To tell you the truth, I sort of acted on behalf of the Christmas tree,
North Korean despot threatens to shoot down 100ft ‘Christmas tree’ erected near border by enemy South
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mas-tree-erected-near-border-enemy-South.html

and so I "prayed": Oh, you don't know what to do.:rolleyes: Just whack the top Atheist clergy in N.K. to be no more. That's what you can do.

God condemns violence, so it was no-go, but when I suggested to him that it would bring more news about atheism to the headlines and that would wipe the tears from your cheek, his Omnibeating Heart melted.
 
epix said:
Really? In that case we must live in a fictitious world, if you don't hear much about atheism in the news.

Aah, come on. Stop crying. :rolleyes: It's not that bad. Look, here . . . in the prestigious Washington Post:

Christopher Hitchens’ atheism was a gift to believers
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...to-believers/2011/12/16/gIQA2CD3yO_story.html

Too bad that you can't ask God for more news articles like that.
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Well, what you've quoted is the headline, and I can't for the life of me see anything in the article itself to justify it, except perhaps that it forced some believers to actually think about what they professed.
 
Regarding the OP:

I think it´s quite the opposite. The mere existence of such great numbers of christian believers supports the muslims worldview, (which in turn creates a number of extremists)

If most of the western world were atheist, the world would be a very different place and muslims would have more reasons to doubt their beliefs, it would seem more "normal" for them to become atheists themselves.
 
mikeyx said:
And YOU as an atheist would have us believe they don't, when not defacing nativity scenes in a desperate attempt to force their beliefs on us.
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I missed this. What nativity scene was defaced by an atheist? I trust he or she will be appropriately prosecuted.
 
epix said:
No,and so I "prayed": Oh, you don't know what to do.:rolleyes: Just whack the top Atheist clergy in N.K. to be no more. That's what you can do.

God condemns violence, so it was no-go, but when I suggested to him that it would bring more news about atheism to the headlines and that would wipe the tears from your cheek, his Omnibeating Heart melted.
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If you've got a pipeline to God, why the hell didn't you pray that piece of crap in the shape of a human dead years ago?
 
Leumas said:
Do you know the history of the Afghan-Russian conflict?

Well according to history that is EXACTLY what the communists did....they fought Islamic Fundamentalists and terrorists who wanted to stop all the non-islamic reforms the Afghani Communist government was instituting

The western world called them freedom fighters then and Reagan gave them money and weapons and intelligence from satellites and full support with CIA operatives teaching and training the moslim terrorists on how to use the considerable and effective armaments they were supplying them.... of course they were called Mujahedeen and freedom fighters then because they were only killing Russians and Afghani commies

Unfortunately those very same dastards that Reagan created became the Islamic fundamentalists we now call terrorists because once they finished with the "infidel ATHEIST commies" they turned their attention to the "infidel imperialists" armed with the weapons and training afforded them by Reagan.
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do you expect us to believe this?
 
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