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Do atheists assist Islamic radicals?

slingblade said:
Your grandmother called. She said you're late for her egg-sucking lesson.



Sweetheart, don't tell me what atheism is. I'm atheist. And don't tell me what Christianity is. I was a Christian. I was immersed in it from birth; my father's mother saw to that. I didn't really know my dad, but I spent a lot of time at his mother's house, out in the boonies of the Ouachita Forest. I read Guideposts for fun; watched Oral Roberts and Billy Graham and the Gospel Jubilee; I was slain in the spirit and spoke in tongues and danced in holy ecstasy in the aisles. We were just a couple of steps removed from the poison-drinking snake-handlers, dear heart.

Don't tell me about Christianity.

I read the bible cover-to-cover more times than most people even pick the damned thing up. At one time, I knew whole swathes of it by heart, and can still cite verses with the best of 'em. I went to Vacation Bible School, and learned all the songs, and collected all the colorful bible story cards in sunday school, and I was a bloody christian, down to my very bones, and never once, not one time, did christianity ever live up to its promises to me. It made a lot of promises to me, and all of them empty.

Please spare me the tired and trite "you sound like you're really angry at god" line of horse droppings, too. No, I'm not mad at god. God's not there.

If I'm mad at anybody, it's at people like you who want me to think this religion is such a good thing, such a blessed and miraculous thing, such a desirous and wondrous thing that you have to threaten to burn me alive for all eternity unless I accept it!

Go ahead and ask me why I hate god; I'll just turn around and ask you why you hate everybody else.
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Travis said:
In another thread I asked why one Republican candidate would believe a Secular and Atheistic America would be dominated by Islamic radicals.

And the opinion was eventually put forth that atheists do it unwittingly or as part of a desire to be anti-Christian.

So what do you think? Have you ever heard of an atheist wanting to assist Muslim radicals in their quest for holy war because of their desire to be multicultural or anti-Christian?

Because personally I have not.

I hope the mods don't mind both threads. The other one is supposed to be about the political side.
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And YOU as an atheist would have us believe they don't, when not defacing nativity scenes in a desperate attempt to force their beliefs on us.
 
Hard-liners need each other. Atheism and Islam are not by nature oppositional enough to keep conflict going. For example can there be martyrs to atheism? It doesn't sound right. An atheist told to "convert or we'll torture and/or kill you" would be likely to do whatever to get the radicals off his back and then go about his (or her) business.

Anyway an America dominated by radical Islamisists wouldn't be secular, by definition.

If people are fighting for land or anything somewhat tangible, the conflict can be resolved. A holy war can't be resolved. It's job security for extremists. You need two sides, each believing God is on their side, to keep the conflict going. And the agenda is conflict, not a caliphate. This holy war stuff is a proxy for the Cold War - so hardliners can keep their power bases.

Don't know if I'm making any sense and I haven't read the other thread.
 
dafydd said:
Atheism is based on reality.
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And the reality is that are some people who would willingly work with people who hold positions contrary to their own. Which is why (like I said earlier) I'm sure some atheists might assist Islamic radicals (same as some Christians might).

Don't see what the point of contention is here.
 
MG1962 said:
There seems to be a diaspora between these two statements in your post
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Where I come from it is used to refer to dispersal or scattering. I am aware of the other meanings of the word, but clearly they would not make sense in this context
 
epix said:
Really? In that case we must live in a fictitious world, if you don't hear much about atheism in the news.

Aah, come on. Stop crying. :rolleyes: It's not that bad. Look, here . . . in the prestigious Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...to-believers/2011/12/16/gIQA2CD3yO_story.html

Too bad that you can't ask God for more news articles like that.
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We live in the real world where nobody has ever provided a shred of proof that a god exists. A stupid article. You're right, I can't ask a non-existent sky daddy for more news like that. Well spotted.
 
mikeyx said:
And YOU as an atheist would have us believe they don't, when not defacing nativity scenes in a desperate attempt to force their beliefs on us.
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1) Defacing a nativity scene, while potentially petty, is not forcing a belief on someone.

2) I believe that atheism as a whole wants to fight Islamic Radicalism as much as anyone.

3) If you believe otherwise please explain why.
 
MG1962 said:
There seems to be a diaspora between these two statements in your post
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I take it you meant to show everyone that things like irony and sarcasm blow right past you? Congratulations. Have you an encore?

Also:
A diaspora (from Greek διασπορά, "scattering, dispersion")[1] is "the movement, migration, or scattering of people away from an established or ancestral homeland"[2] or "people dispersed by whatever cause to more than one location",[3] or "people settled far from their ancestral homelands".[2]

So no. But thank you for playing. :rolleyes:
 
slingblade said:
A diaspora (from Greek διασπορά, "scattering, dispersion")[1] is "the movement, migration, or scattering of people away from an established or ancestral homeland"[2] or "people dispersed by whatever cause to more than one location",[3] or "people settled far from their ancestral homelands".[2]

So no. But thank you for playing. :rolleyes:
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I find your definition to be ubiquitous and ursine. You won't win arguments with this kind of mastication.
 
JudeBrando said:
"Do atheists assist Islamic radicals?"

Yes.
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How? I am an atheist and have been so all my life. I can't think of any time where I've assisted or agreed with Islamic radicals. Can you evidence your assertion, please?
 
Agatha said:
How? I am an atheist and have been so all my life. I can't think of any time where I've assisted or agreed with Islamic radicals. Can you evidence your assertion, please?
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In the Alice In Wonderland World of his thoughts all sorts of things are possible.
 
In the other thread someone pulled out the fact that atheists largely were not against the construction of a mosque in Lower Manhattan. Somehow this was used as evidence that atheists want to assist Islamic holy war.
 
I think this comes from a misconception based on the persecution complex some Christians have. These Christians believe their religion is in peril, and they are in an oppressed minority. Battling for morality in their nation against a tide of sinners and unbelievers.

When they see an atheist arguing against the unfair treatment of Muslims, they see this as inconsistent with the atheist who is outspoken against mandatory prayer and the teaching of ID.

Muslims face a very real threat from prejudice and bigotry in Western society and Christians do not. Seeing this pointed out causes the Christian who feels the persecution they perceive to feel atheists are somehow in support of radical Islam.

Look no further than some of the posters here.
 
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