Did Jon-Benet Ramsay's brother kill her?

There was an interesting posting on Topix JonBenet forum in May 2016 which I think an astute detective should have been suspicious about, unlike that idiot Kolar and CBS with their ludicrously unsatisfactory 'Burke did it' theory without facts. I take this to come from the suspect Fleet White:

Shut the **** up, you squishy piece of dog ****.

Mary Keenan is involved in a conspiracy to keep the truth about this case from the public. She is a lying sack of **** who will get hers someday, if there is any justice in the universe.

The federal judge was working with limited information and based her decision solely on the evidence presented, NOT all of the available evidence in the case.

You have been spewing lies and misinformation about this case for years. You will certainly burn in hell someday.
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There was quite a long TV documentary on the JonBenet Ramsey case yesterday on, I think, Tru TV in the UK. It was quite interesting and I thought Paula Woodward spoke a lot of sense. I must say that I disagreed with Schiller sometimes who is supposed to be such an expert on the case. I could quote you several factual errors in his book Perfect Murder Perfect Town and it irritated me a bit for him to say it's beyond doubt that she was murdered in the house. That may be true, but there is no hard evidence to back it up. That's speculation.

Steve Thomas was quoted as saying he could get a forced admission and confession from Patsy Ramsey if the DA put her in jail. Mike Kane the Grand Jury specialist lawyer said there was not enough evidence to prosecute the Ramseys.

There is a criticism of the Steve Thomas book by Jameson on the internet:

http://www.jameson245.com/Thomasbook2.htm

257-259 - Fleet and Priscilla were favorably described by Thomas - IMO, that relationship needed to be investigated. I think Thomas influenced the Whites above and beyond the norm...
page 260 - Thomas wrote that the group was hoping for a special prosecutor.
pages 263-264 The Whites played a large part in the push for a special prosecutor - and Thomas was in there pushing as well. Beckner wasn't in agreement - and according to Thomas, he said the Whites were close to an obstruction of justice charge. Interesting.
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Henri McPhee said:
Steve Thomas was quoted as saying he could get a forced admission and confession from Patsy Ramsey if the DA put her in jail.
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He must have been confusing her with the meth heads he usually arrests without high priced lawyers.

Mike Kane the Grand Jury specialist lawyer said there was not enough evidence to prosecute the Ramseys.
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Story of the case.
 
Paula Woodward said on that documentary a couple of days ago which I suppose could be a repeat about the JonBenet Ramsey case that Boulder does not like controversy, which is a bit like this internet forum. Detective Lou Smit was quoted as saying there is a very dangerous killer on the loose which I think could be relevant to the abduction of Madeleine McCann in Portugal. Nobody, including the incompetent boobs in the BPD, has checked to see if Fleet and Priscilla were in Portugal at the time, or if they knew Sir Clement Freud, or any Americans involved in recent American child sex scandals.
 
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snipped...Nobody, including the incompetent boobs in the BPD, has checked to see if Fleet and Priscilla were in Portugal at the time, or if they knew Sir Clement Freud, or any Americans involved in recent American child sex scandals.
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They didn't question Snidely Whiplash either.
 
Paula Woodward said on that recent JonBenet Ramsey documentary that eight out of ten Americans think Patsy did it which I think defies logic and common sense, and is a criticism of the biased American media and fake news. The Boulder Daily Camera has always been fair and just to the innocent Ramseys, and to give the TV presenter Larry King his due and credit he has always been fair and just to the Ramseys, and to Jeffrey Macdonald in that case.
 
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I posted a bit of information about that Schiller Perfect Murder Perfect Town book in January 2012 on Topix JonBenet forum. Fleet White once described that book as a pack of lies, which is a bit unfair, though he would know because he was intimately involved:

I have never seen a copy of that corrections sheet, if it exists. It must have been something posted on the JonBenet forums years ago and which now might no longer be there.

The main Schiller error I have become aware of, unless I'm very much mistaken, was Schiller saying Fleet White arrived after John Fernie. Fleet White arrived pretty quickly around 6am. That's important information, and you would think Steve Thomas would know that.

From what I've read Schiller obtained much of his Ramsey case information from Steve Thomas. There was some story that Schiller got a bit fed up with Steve Thomas continually badgering him with Ramsey case information on the phone, presumably for money, and it looks like some of that Steve Thomas information was factually inaccurate.

This is some waffle about the matter from an old article by Ramsey case character Frank Coffman. He was quite a big character in the case at first and he used to post on the JonBenet forums, but I've not heard anything about him for the past ten years or so:

"Schiller, who has a reputation for hardball tactics, has been tagged a "perfectly amoral profiteer" by author Jeffrey Toobin, who like Schiller, wrote a book about the O.J. Simpson murder case.

Schiller's book has been called "an encyclopedia" of the Ramsey case. It is the most thorough account of the investigation to be published thus far. However, from my personal knowledge of certain events depicted in the book, I believe Schiller often embroiders the truth. For instance, while he was working on the book, he quoted a passage to me. I told him that he had somewhat misquoted what Steve Thomas said to me and I advised him to change it, but he kept the inaccurate quotation in the book. Worse, Schiller's paraphrased reconstruction of my conversation with Lou Smit regarding traits of the note's writer (Page 448) is mostly Schiller's concoction.

Others had the same problem. The Ramseys' former housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, confirms most of what Schiller writes about her, but she objects to several apparent fabrications, such as the claim on Page 561 that the authorities showed her a photograph of the Ramseys' dryer with JonBenet's sheets inside. She was never shown such a photo, she says.

Schiller relied heavily on the uncorroborated statements of Jeff Shapiro. Some statements from Hunter and Thomas that appear as verbatim quotations are actually just recollections from Shapiro.

Some of Schiller's sources cooperated with him on the condition he wouldn't use their names-a condition he violated. For instance, the Ramseys' former Boulder nanny talked to Schiller once he promised to keep her anonymous. Later, before the book was finished, she became alarmed that Schiller might violate their oral agreement. I relayed her concerns to Schiller, but he refused to take her name out of the manuscript.(Schiller declined to respond to the accusation for this story.)

Others, however, were permitted anonymity in the book. Clay Evans, columnist for The Daily Camera, hides behind the fictitious name "Cordwainer Bird" on Page 426.

Schiller has already issued an errata list, but it barely scratches the surface. Jeff Merrick, a former Access Graphics' employee who knew John Ramsey, says that "very little of what he writes about me is accurate." For instance, Merrick insists that he never threatened John Ramsey and he never claimed that the company owed him close to $118,000 or any other specific amount. He calls the numerous errors "almost comical."
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I posted this on Topix JonBenet forum in 2009:

Michael Tracey is a pro-Ramsey journalism professor at Colorado University.

I think the story goes that Patsy and John Ramsey were invited to lecture to an audience at Colorado University in the 1990's about media hysteria and libel in murder cases.

From what I can gather the Ramseys approved of Michael Tracey making Ramsey case TV documentaries from then on. Detectives Lou Smit and Ollie Gray often appear as talking heads in the documentaries.

I saw the first Tracey-Mills documentary in the UK in the late 1990's. They have all been shown in the UK. I also think they have all been shown in America, but they tend to be on rather obscure American TV channels.
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This is what I wrote about the JonBenet case in 2008 on Topix forum and I stand by this:

Spade made an astonishing posting, to my mind, on Forums for Justice about just over a year ago that there were phone calls from the White House with regard to the Ramsey case.

Spade never elaborated about that, or said what it was all about, and there seems to have been deafening silence about that matter from the other FFJ posters since then. Soon after that Spade stopped posting. That message from Spade may still be in the FFJ archives somewhere.

I suppose you could say that you need to take anything Spade says with a pinch of salt. It's just I'm not like Jameson who says she always defends Fleet White.

I believe Spade and Fleet might have inside information with regard to the Ramsey case, for the very good reason that they might have been involved in the JonBenet murder.

I'm beginning to have my doubts, and very little confidence in Trujillo, and one or two other cops as well. There are such things as bent cops in this world, and even cops who cover-up child sex rings and discredit witnesses.
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parents who did not kill

Henri McPhee said:
Paula Woodward said on that recent JonBenet Ramsey documentary that eight out of ten Americans think Patsy did it which I think defies logic and common sense, and is a criticism of the biased American media and fake news. The Boulder Daily Camera has always been fair and just to the innocent Ramseys, and to give the TV presenter Larry King his due and credit he has always been fair and just to the Ramseys, and to Jeffrey Macdonald in that case.
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That 80% of people think that the Patsy did it is distressing. BTW at the blog Statement AnalysisTM, it is over 90% (unscientific poll, surely). Yet there are other cases in which parents have been wrongfully accused and even convicted of harming their children (Sabrina Butler, Lindy Chamberlain, Billy Wayne Cope, Todd Willingham, and Patricia Stallings come to mind).
 
Chris_Halkides said:
That 80% of people think that the Patsy did it is distressing. BTW at the blog Statement AnalysisTM, it is over 90% (unscientific poll, surely). Yet there are other cases in which parents have been wrongfully accused and even convicted of harming their children (Sabrina Butler, Lindy Chamberlain, Billy Wayne Cope, Todd Willingham, and Patricia Stallings come to mind).
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I don't know that I find the fact that 80% of people think Patsy did it all that distressing. While I wouldn't go so far as to say I think she did it, I would say that I don't think she (or Burke, or John) can be ruled out, either. The case is so strange, and the initial investigation so badly botched, that I don't think it's possible to say who did it at this point, and I doubt that the case will ever be solved, absent the actual perp finally deciding to confess (which obviously won't happen if it was Patsy).
 
Don't be too sure

CORed,

I agree that the initial investigation was botched, and the case has at least one singular aspect, the ransom note. However, that prompts the question: "What makes this putative 80% so certain?" My implicit point was that some people jump to conclusions to avoid uncertainty. When those people are investigators, tunnel vision follows.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
That 80% of people think that the Patsy did it is distressing. BTW at the blog Statement AnalysisTM, it is over 90% (unscientific poll, surely).
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To be fair that poll is not just for Patsy but also for John since it says parents plural. There is a reasonable case to be made against John Ramsey killing his daughter and staging a kidnapping to cover up sexual abuse. It's just not reasonable beyond a doubt due to Patsy backing up his broken window story and the evidence on prior sexual abuse being ambiguous. But I don't think most people have really analyzed the case, since most people don't think at all and go through their life feeling. Child beauty pageants are bad and make me feel bad for the children, therefore Patsy Ramsey did it -> that's the process for that 80% more or less.
 
I still think Fleet White is a suspicious character. This is what I posted on Topix forum in 2009:

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