Did Jon-Benet Ramsay's brother kill her?

BStrong said:
Noddy cared then, nobody cares now.
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There are people who do care about Fleet White fighting tooth and nail to keep his embarrassing attack of amnesia deposition secret, and him threatening to kill anybody who does not accept his ridiculous theory without facts that JonBenet fell down the spiral staircase. It's suspicious. There is more from the Fleet White deposition on Topix JonBenet forum here. I would like to see the rest of it:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TLRUJGG70AUQ3R5N3/fleet-whites-deposition/p9
 
To save everybody else some time, the thread to which Henri is linking you is a discussion of "jameson" posting an edited version of Fleet White's sealed deposition. It's not the deposition in its uncensored entirety and unless Henri posts a link to the blog "jameson" claims to have posted the "edited" deposition, he's just posting to pass the time, not to provide you with actual information.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
It's a good thing nobody pays attention then.
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I love how you state the simple truth!

This is a thread I have pretty much avoided because even the title made me roll my eyes. But, AoV, you have also done the same good job on the Darlie thread!
 
wasapi said:
I love how you state the simple truth!

This is a thread I have pretty much avoided because even the title made me roll my eyes. But, AoV, you have also done the same good job on the Darlie thread!
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Lol - I am just filling in for BStrong when he isn't here. There is a certain poster who has some very bizarre beliefs and who continually posts sheer nonsense. IMO, those posts don't require in-depth responses.
 
What is typical of ransom notes?

Ampulla of Vater said:
I cannot get past the fact that the ransom note specifically said JBR would be killed/beheaded if they so much as "talked to a dog" or called the police. The first thing they did was to call the police and... this is where it gets really weird... they proceeded to call a dozen various people to come to the house. They made sure she would die, didn't they?
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I may well be wrong about this, but I was under the impressions that most ransom notes say words to the effect of "Don't call the police," and that this is usually ignored. I agree that this is a singular ransom note in many respects.
 
typical ransom notes

Chris_Halkides said:
I may well be wrong about this, but I was under the impressions that most ransom notes say words to the effect of "Don't call the police," and that this is usually ignored. I agree that this is a singular ransom note in many respects.
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I was channeling the book Law and Disorder by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker, pp. 177-178. "Even the kidnappers don't expect you to comply with this part."
 
Henri McPhee said:
Paula Woodward said on that recent JonBenet Ramsey documentary that eight out of ten Americans think Patsy did it which I think defies logic and common sense, and is a criticism of the biased American media and fake news. The Boulder Daily Camera has always been fair and just to the innocent Ramseys, and to give the TV presenter Larry King his due and credit he has always been fair and just to the Ramseys, and to Jeffrey Macdonald in that case.
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With no offense, it is quite fair to assume the Ramey family just as possibly guilty of killing her as any other person(s). They have not been proven innocent/not guilty so they are still rationally suspects.
 
It is one thing to think of them as persons of interest, but there is no good evidence that they are guilty. On the other hand, there was a plausible outside suspect. See my "What about Bob" posts upthread.
 
This is more about the Fleet White deposition, which he fights tooth and nail to keep secret from the American public, by the American journalist Don Gentile:

Just PART of what Fleet White has been covering up with a protective order for the last THIRTEEN YEARS:

8/27/2002: The National Enquirer: JonBenet Murder Witness changes his story:

"Some of the gaps in his memory were absolutely astonishing - and he threw a shroud of mystery over his own activities the day of the gruesome slaying."

"Asked if he remembers finding a suitcase down there and moving it, he couldn't remember."

"Asked if he remembers John Ramsey turning on a light switch in the room where JonBenet's body was found, he said he couldn't remember."

"Asked if he read the ransom note left in the house that day, he couldn't remember.

"Asked if he could remember the appearance of JonBenet's body, whether she had a heart drawn on one hand, or if he could recall John's reaction to finding the body, he couldn't."

"About the only thing he could remember was his name!"

...But Denver criminal attorney Craig Silverman said a Judge would not look kindly on White's suffering a memory loss if the Wolf suit goes to trial and he's called to testify.

"If he refuses to answer any questions, he could be held in contempt, Silverman told The Enquirer.

"It might even be considered perjury if he takes it to the extreme, it's simply a lie that he doesn't know or can't recall."

DON GENTILE
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fuelair said:
With no offense, it is quite fair to assume the Ramey family just as possibly guilty of killing her as any other person(s). They have not been proven innocent/not guilty so they are still rationally suspects.
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Ramsey dammit...........:eek:
 
This is what I posted on topix Jon Benet forum in 2008 about Fleet White, and I stand by this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jon...5/carnes-to-jameson-cease-and-desist-order/p2

I think you are missing something.

Fleet White gave every indication before his deposition in his public letters that he believed the Ramseys should have been arrested for JonBenet's murder, by Alex Hunter, and by the Boulder police.

Steve Thomas testified in his deposition that he seemed to believe the same thing about Fleet's attitude, although Steve Thomas didn't actually specifically name the Ramseys in relation to what Fleet and Priscilla White said to Thomas.

Then after all those manic attacks on the Ramseys Fleet White calmly comes along in his deposition and says' "it's not me guv, I don't say nothing bad about the Ramseys" which to my mind is rather odd.

As I have mentioned before, I don't really know what Fleet was playing at in that deposition. I would have more respect for the man if he had stuck to his guns and accused the Ramseys in that deposition, if that's what he genuinely believes.

That's what Candy and Darnay wanted to happen and I believe that's one reason why candy is so bitter about Fleet White, and also with Steve Thomas. Fleet White is a great big mouth except when it comes to testify in a courtroom, or a lawyer's office.

Then Fleet either refuses to attend, or he adopts this "I will not answer that question" attitude. You must ask yourself why, if the man is innocent. It's not the behavior of an innocent man.
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There is a good posting on topix JonBenet forum by Sig in October 2016, with which I agree. It makes a change from Fleet White calling every other poster a retard and moron for not believing his ridiculous and fabricated theory without facts that JonBenet fell down the spiral staircase. It was the fault of the idiot police:

Let us examine this ridiculous RDI argument shall we?

RDI: John and Patsy, being the monstrously cruel, cold-hearted people they are, sexually assaulted their own six year old daughter by stabbing her in the vagina with the broken handle of a paint brush and methodically garroted her to death, then penned a two and half page phony ransom note.

REBUTTAL: But wait!... What about the body being left in the basement? If John and Patsy were staging a kidnapping, wouldn't they have first disposed of the body somewhere beyond their property line. After all, leaving it in the basement where it is sure to be found, should an actually competent team of police officers arrive and thoroughly search the house, seems like an extremely foolish thing to do. This doesn't make any sense at all.

RDI: Hmmm...(thinking... thinking... thinking...) I got it! John and Patsy are sensitive and sentimental people. They loved JonBenet so much they just had to give her a proper Christian burial. Yeah, that's it!

REBUTTAL: That sounds like an outrageously idiotic example of special pleading. Your theory presents John and Patsy as cold-hearted monsters attempting to stage a kidnapping; but when the theory falls apart due to the matter of the body being left in the basement, you then present them as sensitive, sentimental Christians who need to retain the body of the daughter they brutally murdered in order to give her a proper burial. Seems like a vain attempt to fit a square peg in a round hole.

RDI: But... But.. But... People do crazy, bizarre things all the time! Yeah, that's it! John and Patsy were mentally ill in a big way, maybe even closet-case schizophrenics.

REBUTTAL: Except that neither John nor Patsy had any history of serious mental illness.

RDI: How do you know? Do have access to their medical records?

REBUTTAL: All their friends and family describe them as sane, loving parents who could never do such horrible things to their own daughter. Upon what evidence are you basing your claim that John and Patsy were mentally ill?

RDI: Evidence?... I'm RDI. I don't need evidence in order to support my theory. All I need is a morbid, presumptuous imagination. Only IDI are required to present evidence.

REBUTTAL: But your theory doesn't make any sense. It's totally asinine and logically absurd.

RDI: I don't need to make sense! I don't need logic! I have Kolar's book. It's the Holy Bible of the JonBenet case.

REBUTTAL: But Kolar is a jughead who failed miserably to solve the case. Isn't he the same imbecile who seriously suggested that the apparent taser marks on JonBenet's body were caused by Burke's electric model train tracks?

RDI: Don't you DARE call Kolar a jughead or an imbecile!!! Kolar is a prophet. He's the Muhammad of the RDI belief system. Just for that, I'm going to submit a complaint to the moderator and see if I can get you and your sacrilege banned from the forum!!!
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I don't believe Fleet White was ever the fabulously rich oil tycoon which the Denver Post, and others, always maintained. More like psychotic. This is a bit from John Ramsey's 1998 interview about the matter:

8 MIKE KANE: Is Fleet wealthy?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Fleet? I don't have a clue.
10 MIKE KANE: He was always described (INAUDIBLE).
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.(INAUDIBILE). He bought a
12 house; he was apparently to get a mortgage. He
13 kept commenting about his mortgage rate. He didn't
14 have a job and he was pretty open about that .
15 I just assumed that he must had some money stashed
16 away.
17 MIKE KANE: Did Priscilla work?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Well she use to say things
19 were tight and they had to -- cause she was going
20 to go on this trip to New York and Patsy wanted
21 her to go with Kathy and she wouldn't go because
22 they couldn't afford it. So it's hard to tell.
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