Destroyed Atlantis = Menorah

[King of the Americas]

Well, as no gods are convenient we need not be detained by their accounts.

I was asked for a history of the menorah. Exodus is my only source.

 

[Craig4]

I was asked for a history of the menorah. Exodus is my only source.

Which is not the same as a god.

 

[King of the Americas]

And while you're at it KTA, how about you find something that references the thing to your Atlantis.

Again, AGAIN, there need not be any awareness of "Just Do It." to wear a pair of Nikes.

 

[King of the Americas]

Which is not the same as a god.

I started by saying "recognized authority," but you didn't like that...

 

[Craig4]

Again, AGAIN, there need not be any awareness of "Just Do It." to wear a pair of Nikes.

That may be the most absurd, unsophisticated, wishful thinking I have ever encountered here. If I'm curious about the association between the slogan and the shoes or just the origin of "Just do It" I have ready access to evidence tying the two. Where is your such evidence for the menorah and your Atlantis?

 

[Craig4]

I started by saying "recognized authority," but you didn't like that...

Probably a good plan. I'd dismiss your unsupported assertions about the historicity of "Exodus" as easily as I dismiss your unsupported assertions about Atlantis.

 

[King of the Americas]

Until 2009, the earliest preserved representation[citation needed] of the menorah of the Temple was depicted in a frieze on the Arch of Titus, commemorating his triumphal parade in Rome following the destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70 CE.

In 2009, however, the ruins of a synagogue with pottery dating from before the destruction of the Second Temple were discovered under land in Magdala owned by the Legionaries of Christ, who had intended to construct a center for women's studies.[2] Inside that synagogue's ruins was discovered a rectangular stone, which had on its surface, among other ornate carvings, a depiction of the seven-lamp menorah differing markedly from the depiction on the Arch of Titus, probably carved by an eyewitness to the actual menorah present at the time in the Temple at Jerusalem. This menorah has arms which are polygonal, not rounded, and the base is not graduated but triangular.

Representations of the seven lamp artifact have been found on tombs and monuments dating from the 1st century as a frequently used symbol of Judaism and the Jewish people.[3]

It has been noted that the shape of the menorah bears a certain resemblance to that of the plant Salvia palaestina.[4][5]

Contrary to some modern designs, the ancient menorah did not contain anything resembling seven candles, as candles were unknown in the Middle East until about 400CE."

http://www.age-end.com/Restoration of All Things/Menorah.htm

 

[Craig4]

Might want to use the quote function and attribute work not your own.

 

[King of the Americas]

Might want to use the quote function and attribute work not your own.

You are right, my mistake. I included the work cited teach!

 

[Myriad]

Again, AGAIN, there need not be any awareness of "Just Do It." to wear a pair of Nikes.

It's equally true that there need not have been any actual Atlantis for a symbol of Atlantis to have existed, even if if turned out the menorah were based on it.

Millions would recognize the symbol of Starfleet, the symbol of the Rebel Alliance, the symbol of House Gryffindor, the symbol of the Autobots, the symbol of the Dharma Initiative... perhaps in the distant future one or more of those symbols will be discovered and adopted by a new religion, its original meaning forgotten...

 

[Craig4]

While you're editing, I take it that this plant Salvia palaestina was a common in Atlantis? Atlantian gardeners were famous for complaining of how the Salvia palaestina was crowding out their daffodils it was so prevalent. One famous papyri text notes how an Atlantian homeowner lamented how they had planted some nice wisteria to make an arbor over their patio and the Salvia palaestina had taken it right over. So common was it that it became the symbol of Atlantis.

 

[King of the Americas]

It's equally true that there need not have been any actual Atlantis for a symbol of Atlantis to have existed, even if if turned out the menorah were based on it.

Millions would recognize the symbol of Starfleet, the symbol of the Rebel Alliance, the symbol of House Gryffindor, the symbol of the Autobots, the symbol of the Dharma Initiative... perhaps in the distant future one or more of those symbols will be discovered and adopted by a new religion, its original meaning forgotten...

So, let's look to the author... Did Plato write other fictions of nonexistent lands? Was he prone to write down falsehoods?

Let's try to develop a pattern of behavior. Given his teacher Socrates NEVER wrote anything down, it 'seems' to me a student who chose TO write, might do so with purpose and intent....preservation, perhaps?

 

[Craig4]

So, let's look to the author... Did Plato write other fictions of nonexistent lands? Was he prone to write down falsehoods?

Let's try to develop a pattern of behavior. Given his teacher Socrates NEVER wrote anything down, it 'seems' to me a student who chose TO write, might do so with purpose and intent....preservation, perhaps?

Is your next adventure to find Plato's Cave?

 

[King of the Americas]

While you're editing, I take it that this plant Salvia palaestina was a common in Atlantis? Atlantian gardeners were famous for complaining of how the Salvia palaestina was crowding out their daffodils it was so prevalent. One famous papyri text notes how an Atlantian homeowner lamented how they had planted some nice wisteria to make an arbor over their patio and the Salvia palaestina had taken it right over. So common was it that it became the symbol of Atlantis.

I...don't...know what you mean. There is another text that mentions Atlantis? Citation please?

 

[Craig4]

Did you read what you copied from Wikipedia? You seemed to think it important enough to include in your quote.

My overarching point with my sarcasm was to draw your attention to the fact that nothing in there associates your symbol with Atlantis. In fact, you seem to make the point that it's entirely Jewish.

 

[Myriad]

So, let's look to the author... Did Plato write other fictions of nonexistent lands? Was he prone to write down falsehoods?

Let's try to develop a pattern of behavior. Given his teacher Socrates NEVER wrote anything down, it 'seems' to me a student who chose TO write, might do so with purpose and intent....preservation, perhaps?

A more useful question might be, what reliable sources of information about what did and did not exist thousands of years earlier did Plato have?

 

[King of the Americas]

A more useful question might be, what reliable sources of information about what did and did not exist thousands of years earlier did Plato have?

So, now you want to toss out Plato, as a qualified Historian...someone who never checked sources and just jotted any old diddy down?

 

[King of the Americas]

Did you read what you copied from Wikipedia? You seemed to think it important enough to include in your quote.

My overarching point with my sarcasm was to draw your attention to the fact that nothing in there associates your symbol with Atlantis. In fact, you seem to make the point that it's entirely Jewish.

"I'm just reporting facts."

The point in my posting that was that it was, maybe, the oldest known carving of the menorah...but it wasn't based on the one "in/on the mount"...it might have been based on the one in the Temple, still not the original source from "the authority" that bestowed it...

There is no mention as to why the "pattern" was chosen, or where this authority got it from. It's meaning even within Exodus is lost.

 

[Craig4]

It's meaning even within Exodus is lost.

Rather my point.

 

[King of the Americas]

Rather my point.

Haha, mine too.

The symbol was 'adopted' from an older source, "in/on a mount"...