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DeSantis’s Lost Cause

ponderingturtle said:
Gay people exist.
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JoeMorgue said:
And brown people.
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I think we've seen ample evidence that the problem is less with their existence than with them being people.

I think what they're afraid of isn't that white kids will feel bad about themselves if they learn truths about history, but rather that they'll think, "Man! That sucked what happened to those people! Let's not continue doing the same **** when we grow up".
 
The fact that people are terrified of some kind of forced personal guilt in regards to the history of America says a lot more about them than anyone else.

Liberals have been trying to sell some version of "Liberal White Guilt" for ages and nobody, even most liberals, buys it.
 
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Warp12 said:
I believe we might see that the libs were "digging their own holes", as you put it.
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"I know you are! But what am I?"

Classy and intellectually astute. We'd see it right now if you actually provided any of the evidence that you totally have but just can't be bothered to present.

Instituted policy and election results will tell the story.
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No, they won't. Are you really incapable of comprehending that argumentum ad populem is a fallacy?

If DeSantis sweeps the election and becomes the next president based on his ******** rhetoric, it will only establish that a large percentage of the population believes him, not that he's right. You've been here over nine years. Surely you must have learned something about the basics of critical thinking and rational argument by now.
 
Foster Zygote said:
If DeSantis sweeps the election and becomes the next president based on his ******** rhetoric, it will only establish that a large percentage of the population believes him, not that he's right.
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If he does that, he will have of achieved something much more grand and influential than what you may consider "right".
 
Warp12 said:
If he does that, he will have of achieved something much more grand and influential than what you may consider "right".
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Couple with your inference that lying to the voters is right one has to question your sense of right and wrong.
 
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Warp12 said:
If he does that, he will have of achieved something much more grand and influential than what you may consider "right".
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There's nothing grand about making stupid people do what you want by lying to them.

Did Jim Bakker do grand things?
 
Even with the context of a... ah "colorful character" argument I don't get what is being argued with the whole vague "Yeah but DeSantis is going to achieve something" thing is supposed to be about.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Even with the context of a... ah "colorful character" argument I don't get what is being argued with the whole vague "Yeah but DeSantis is going to achieve something" thing is supposed to be about.
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Well, if DeSantis succeeds in making it illegal to teach that gay people are people, or that slaves weren't happy with their lot, or that trans people aren't all mentally disturbed, or that man made global warming is real, or that evolution is real, or that the US wasn't founded as a Christian nation, etc, then with an even further dumbed down FL population the "Florida man" news articles are going to be great.

And if DeSantis parlays that into the US Presidency, then the entire world can crash and burn in a great mess soon after!
 
It's kind of funny, in a sad way, that defending a conservative position is often indistinguishable from trolling.
 
Stacyhs said:
Beginning?
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Depends on your defintion of troll.
I think a Troll is somebody who posts crap because they get their jollies from the fuss they stir up. They want attettion, and don't care what kind of attention they get.
Warp12 over the past couple of weeks is being delibertly inflammatory in his or her comments in a way that makes be wonder if stirring up crap is the main motive rather then push a political view.
 
Stellafane said:
It's kind of funny, in a sad way, that defending a conservative position is often indistinguishable from trolling.
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I have always thought that the central question in modern American state and national elections is: What is the proper role of government in our society?

The debate most often breaks down into a big government/little government argument.

Conservatives tend to come down on the side of little government. Why is that approach necessarily wrong?

So if that's the debate what's with all the dirty politics, misleading campaign adds, got ya' debates and phony scandals (okay, some are real)?

In the case of DeSantis and this, IMHO, phony controversy only detracts from the real, central questions of the election.
 
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Stellafane said:
It's kind of funny, in a sad way, that defending a conservative position is often indistinguishable from trolling.
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Once they went all in on Trump, they decided to copy his tactics as well. DeSantis is trying to be Trump 2.0, but he's definitely sticking with the "stick it to the libs" trolling as a tactic.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Even with the context of a... ah "colorful character" argument I don't get what is being argued with the whole vague "Yeah but DeSantis is going to achieve something" thing is supposed to be about.
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You've never seen someone point and shout, "SQUIRREL!!!" before?
 
arayder said:
Conservatives tend to come down on the side of little government.
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JoeMorgue said:
No they don't.
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Conservatives claim to come down on the side of small government, but in practice they want an enlarged police state style of government. One with a minister of propaganda in every school, an agency tasked with making sure your sexual practices between consenting adults follow a very narrow rule book, a ridiculously large legislature writing tons of laws against anything they can imagine whether it happens or not, and of course a military larger than every other country in the world combined.
 
arayder said:
...Conservatives tend to come down on the side of little government. Why is that approach necessarily wrong?
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The philosophy of small government isn't necessarily wrong. But those who call themselves conservatives these days clearly don't believe in it. Smaller government does not mean interfering with female reproductive rights, or with rights based on sexual orientation, or favoring one religion's ideals over others. Hell, this very thread is about a conservative effort to expand government control over public education.

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives differ from liberals not in terms of the size of government, but rather the issues to which they believe the government should be applied.
 
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