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DeSantis’s Lost Cause

I am hearing from more people about DeSantis running in 2024 and I think 2 things:

1) FFS it's 2 years away. Can't I have at least a year without that nonsense?

2) Serious Scott Walker vibes from this dude
 
That is sort of the problem, especially with the House of Representatives. When you only serve 2 year terms you are pretty much never not campaigning.
 
ya, but I haven't been flooded by their ads and at least they are actually campaigning. This nonsense about speculating who is running in 2024 started in 2019.
 
Donal said:
I am hearing from more people about DeSantis running in 2024 and I think 2 things:

1) FFS it's 2 years away. Can't I have at least a year without that nonsense?

2) Serious Scott Walker vibes from this dude
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I think right now people are waiting to see how it all shakes out with Trump.

Things said today about the the former guy may come back to haunt whoever says them.

If Trump goes down the safe thing to say would be something along the lines of "it's time to move on" while at the same time aping all or most of Trump's substantive political stances.
 
Whatever issues may arise from rural poverty (and trust me, no one disputes it exists, we only take exception with some of the more cartoonish caricatures invoked in its name to prove a point), the solution is not to limit the breadth and depth of public education.
 
Stellafane said:
Whatever issues may arise from rural poverty (and trust me, no one disputes it exists, we only take exception with some of the more cartoonish caricatures invoked in its name to prove a point), the solution is not to limit the breadth and depth of public education.
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Not to be argumentative but my old friend and the neighbor's cleaning lady are hardly "cartoonish caricatures".

One wonders if the folks around here glossing over the prevalence of and necessity for firearms in rural areas aren't the ones out of touch.

Present company excluded.
 
Right because America is the only first world country with rural areas which is why every other country also has school shootings as often as my car needs oil changes.
 
arayder said:
Not to be argumentative but my old friend and the neighbor's cleaning lady are hardly "cartoonish caricatures".
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Cut the crap. No one said that. It was your implication that we're all a bunch of gun totin' AK-15-lovin' rednecks who gotta go out and shoot our supper every night that I question. (Perhaps that wasn't your intent, but I'm kind of sick of the stereotype.)

One wonders if the folks around here glossing over the prevalence of and necessity for firearms in rural areas aren't the ones out of touch.
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I agree guns are important out here -- hell, I've owned them myself. But the NRA does not give a flying fig about us. Their market is the urban gunslinger and weekend warrior whose self-worth is defined by how many weapons they own that serve no useful purpose other than to kill a whole lot of people in a short amount of time. When people discuss gun control, that's the crowd they're usually talking about -- not me picking off the porcupine ravaging my peach tree.

Present company excluded.
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Ah, OK, thank you for that anyway.
 
arayder said:
Not to be argumentative but my old friend and the neighbor's cleaning lady are hardly "cartoonish caricatures".
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Stellafane said:
Cut the crap. No one said that. It was your implication that we're all a bunch of gun totin' AK-15-lovin' rednecks who gotta go out and shoot our supper every night that I question. (Perhaps that wasn't your intent, but I'm kind of sick of the stereotype.).
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No, that is not my implication. But there are people who need to hunt to feed their families. There are people who need to keep predators off their property.

Some folks just want to live that way.

That doesn't make then ignorant rednecks. And their needs shouldn't be ignored.

Not every auto rife is an AR-15 and everywhere I know of it's illegal to hunt with auto rifles using a magazine in excess of 5 rounds.

Hunters have to have licenses and must use an sufficiently sized round for the game they are hunting. The .223 rarely qualifies for large game.

So there goes the you-don't-need-a-battle-rifle-to-hunt argument.

Again, no offense intended.

Edit: And I'll be honest. ..I don't think the Democratic Party gets this. . .hence my original post on the subject.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Right because America is the only first world country with rural areas which is why every other country also has school shootings as often as my car needs oil changes.
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And you think banning hunting rifles will help?
 
arayder said:
And you think banning hunting rifles will help?
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I'm saying literally every other country of comparable advancement has figured this out. Nothing you can counter will change that basic fact.

Australia doesn't have mass shootings every other 3 seconds and it has wildlife and rural areas on a scale the United States can't dream of.
 
Donal said:
I am hearing from more people about DeSantis running in 2024 and I think 2 things:

1) FFS it's 2 years away. Can't I have at least a year without that nonsense?
2) Serious Scott Walker vibes from this dude
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I feel your pain. Politicians are ALWAYS campaigning.

We need laws more like the UK's on this which limit campaigning to 25 working days, limits how much each candidate can spend, campaign ads are banned on commercial TV and radio, and broadcasters must give equal time to all major parties.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm saying literally every other country of comparable advancement has figured this out. Nothing you can counter will change that basic fact.

Australia doesn't have mass shootings every other 3 seconds and it has wildlife and rural areas on a scale the United States can't dream of.
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And we haven't banned hunting rifles at all. Hunting is a common pastime here, as is target shooting, etc. Just that we have strict gun controls across the board. And no constitutional right to guns, of course.
 
Brainster said:
The 4% claim is either true or it is false. If it's true then it is something kids should learn, if it's false it should not be taught. And I do love that you can almost hear the sadness in the teacher's voice as she says: "Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."

I can imagine how disturbing it must be to a teacher to have to conclude that America is not that bad.
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If it's true I don't have a problem with it being taught, but the notion that it somehow makes slavery in the US "not as bad" is laughable.
 
Brainster said:
The 4% claim is either true or it is false. If it's true then it is something kids should learn, if it's false it should not be taught. And I do love that you can almost hear the sadness in the teacher's voice as she says: "Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."

I can imagine how disturbing it must be to a teacher to have to conclude that America is not that bad.
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I know it's sometimes difficult to convey sarcasm effectively in print, but I can't be the only one to discern the sarcasm just dripping from that teacher's statement. She's clearly indicating that the teaching standard is meant to smooth over America's racist history.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm saying literally every other country of comparable advancement has figured this out. Nothing you can counter will change that basic fact.

Australia doesn't have mass shootings every other 3 seconds and it has wildlife and rural areas on a scale the United States can't dream of.
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Thanks for proving my point. If they meet certain conditions people in Australia (especially people like my rancher friend) can be licensed to own semi-auto loading rifles.

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Category C
Pump-action or self-loading shotguns having a magazine capacity of 5 or fewer rounds and semi-automatic rimfire rifles up to 10 rounds. Primary producers, farm workers, firearm dealers, firearm safety officers, collectors and clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms. In Western Australia, Category C shotguns may be owned by sporting shooters who participate in practical shotgun competitions. However, this is generally limited to second-hand shotguns.

Category D
All self-loading centrefire rifles, pump-action or self-loading or lever-action shotguns[15] that have a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, semi-automatic rimfire rifles over 10 rounds, are restricted to government agencies, occupational shooters and primary producers.

Category H
Handguns can be owned for a number of "genuine reasons" including target shooting, occupational (security guard and prison guard), carrying on behalf of a junior, and official, commercial or prescribed purposes authorized by an Act or Regulation. For target shooters, a paid membership to an approved pistol club is mandated.
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I guess they know what they are doing!

Somebody else noticed, too. . .

Norman Alexander said:
And we haven't banned hunting rifles at all. Hunting is a common pastime here, as is target shooting, etc. Just that we have strict gun controls across the board. And no constitutional right to guns, of course.
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*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia
 
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