DeSantis’s Lost Cause

[Apathia]

I'm sure there's some of that behind it, but there's also just a lot of people who cannot grasp the concept of critical thinking: they think to talk about something is to endorse it. They can't understand the difference between teaching children what something is and persuading children that thing is good. Like teaching what various religions believe is inseparable from proselytizing. Intellectual rigor is not widespread.

But intellectual rigor-mortis is.

 

[Warp12]

"Later, at home, Warp stood alone in his room. He closed his eyes and took a deep breath, holding it for several seconds before slowly releasing it through his nose in a cleansing exhalation. His focus established, he opened his eyes and fixed his steely gaze on the battered tennis ball suspended from the ceiling a full six feet above the floor. It was nearly a foot over the top of his head. He looked briefly as though his attention had shifted to some internal subject, but a moment later, with no warning, no telegraph of impending action, he exploded into violent, yet precise and fluid motion. Launching himself vertically to an extraordinary height, he spun swiftly around his Y axis and his right foot collided with the tennis ball with such force as to break the cord suspending it in place, and causing it to strike the wall with enough velocity to bounce back and thud into the closed door on the opposite wall before arcing down to the floor and rolling under his bed. The sudden commotion was over as swiftly as it had begun, and he came to rest standing as calmly as he had been a moment earlier. From somewhere, a flourish played on a wooden flute. In his mind he heard the voices of the other kids dismissing his claims, and simply smiled to himself."

I'd like to think that the above is somehow against the MA...but it is probably just some loophole I need to master.

 

[Warp12]

So in Warp12 view, schools should be allowed to throw out scientific facts and put fairy tales in their place?

Oh isn't that the crux...what are facts and what are fairy tales?

I bet we disagree on some of those points.

But at least we can all agree that teachers and education need oversight. It mostly seems to upset people just when their side of the argument gets contained.

 

[arayder]

I'd like to think that the above is somehow against the MA...but it is probably just some loophole I need to master.

You wouldn't be subject to this sort of comic ridicule if you'd argue your argument straight up.

You have been asked countless times to show us where public schools are engaging in "off-the-rails" instructional practices.

As close as you can get to an answer is to feign impartially by saying liberals and conservative teachers in school systems go off the rails with some sort of equal regularity.

Oh, please. . .

This may come as a surprise to you but state departments of education and local school systems have highly detailed curricula in which courses of study presented to children are explicitly detailed.

You should be able, by doing your own research, to find the truth about the liberal conspiracy you infer.

 

[Apathia]

You keep on avoding giving specific examples of "irresponsible teaching". I wonder why.....

Post 174 is all I need in that respect.
It's exactly the way an old conservative friend of mine would, and does, reply.
The content is stated but with some plausible deniability of reactionary views.

 

[arayder]

Oh isn't that the crux...what are facts and what are fairy tales?

I bet we disagree on some of those points.

But at least we can all agree that teachers and education need oversight. It mostly seems to upset people just when their side of the argument gets contained.

So when did you last attend a school board meeting? Or view one on line?

States and local school boards set and review curriculum standards on a frequent basis.

Can you find these reviews on line? Do you need some help finding them?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

As many times as it has backfired you'd think politicians would stop posing in military vehicles for campaign ads.

I’ll wager George H. W. Bush, an actual combat pilot, never felt the need to cosplay for votes.

RINO.

 

[Stellafane]

I am begginning to think we are being trolled, folks.

Perhaps, but I think it's more that, when it comes to defending DeSantis and his ilk, there's simply no there there. Reality itself is against them, so they need to speak in vague generalities and misdirection because they don't have facts at their disposal. When conversing among themselves they don't need any of course, since they don't challenge each other. Or in their more honest moments, they'll admit what this is really about, an attempt to prevent children from learning anything they don't want them to know.

Of course none of that works when they dare to venture outside their like-minded little circle. Unfortunately for them, here in the ISF they can't apply their usual go-to moves, otherwise we'd all have been called pedo enablers and cucks by now. So instead...silence.

 

[arayder]

Eventually the "I owned the libs" fantasy gets matched up against reality.

DeSantis can cosplay as a jet fighter pilot or find 20 people who committed voter fraud and pretend he's Trump 2.0, but in the end he's gotta' get the job done for the people of Florida.

Trolls can play debate games, but eventually question at hand gets asked.

 

[acbytesla]

As many times as it has backfired you'd think politicians would stop posing in military vehicles for campaign ads.

Let's see
Dukakis...disaster..Except the image of him in a tank wasn't used in a pro Dukakis ad but used by his opposition in an attack ad.

Who else are you thinking of?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Oh isn't that the crux...what are facts and what are fairy tales?

I bet we disagree on some of those points.

But at least we can all agree that teachers and education need oversight. It mostly seems to upset people just when their side of the argument gets contained.

What does this have to do with what Ron DeSantis is doing to public education in Florida? Why are you defending his injection of "off the rails" nonsense into the curriculum?

 

[arayder]

It's simple.

A couple of years ago some disingenuous political strategists realized there was such and thing as Critical Race Theory and recognizing that it was abhorrent to their fellow conservatives decided to pretend it was being shoved down the throats of grade schoolers.

When these folks figured out that their conspiracy theory didn't hold water they decided to tact a few degrees and pretend teachers were saying bad things about their student's great, great, great granddaddies.

But eventually they got wise to the fact that kids wouldn't come home crying about how "grandpa was a racist" because they'd never been so taught. . .so they decided they'd comb through school libraries for books that didn't pass ultra-conservative muster.

And BINGO. .. they went from political hacks to book burners in three easy steps.

 

[Norman Alexander]

They have no idea what CRT is, nor can they explain why, but they are agin' it!


Btw, I'm old enough to know that CRT used to stand for "cathode ray tube". And at first I wondered why this gits were getting so het up about oscilloscopes.

 

[dudalb]

They have no idea what CRT is, nor can they explain why, but they are agin' it!


Btw, I'm old enough to know that CRT used to stand for "cathode ray tube". And at first I wondered why this gits were getting so het up about oscilloscopes.

THIS, I do not have a high opinion of Critical Race Theory..the real thing. but these fools do not have the slightest idea of what it is.

 

[Norman Alexander]

No idea what it is that has him so terrified: "I don't understand it that much, but what little I know I don't care for."



A real discussion on CRT.

 

[The Don]

Eventually the "I owned the libs" fantasy gets matched up against reality.

DeSantis can cosplay as a jet fighter pilot or find 20 people who committed voter fraud and pretend he's Trump 2.0, but in the end he's gotta' get the job done for the people of Florida.

Trolls can play debate games, but eventually question at hand gets asked.

If enough people think that his job is "trolling da libz" then he's doing it. IMO one of the purposes of that advert it to convince them of that.

 

[Stacyhs]

Another personal attack, certain to go unnoticed.

Victim?

 

[Susheel]

Victim?

Well, the forum admin has often provided validation for this victimhood.

 

[Stacyhs]

Wrong.

I'm just not interested in once again listening to liberals whine about slavery, conquered Indians, evolution and transgenders...I've been through it too many times.

And yet, here you are yet again making claims that you refuse to support with evidence despite being asked to do so repeatedly and then claiming to be personally attacked...which will go unnoticed.

Here, have some Gouda.

 

[Stacyhs]

"Later, at home, Warp stood alone in his room. He closed his eyes and took a deep breath, holding it for several seconds before slowly releasing it through his nose in a cleansing exhalation. His focus established, he opened his eyes and fixed his steely gaze on the battered tennis ball suspended from the ceiling a full six feet above the floor. It was nearly a foot over the top of his head. He looked briefly as though his attention had shifted to some internal subject, but a moment later, with no warning, no telegraph of impending action, he exploded into violent, yet precise and fluid motion. Launching himself vertically to an extraordinary height, he spun swiftly around his Y axis and his right foot collided with the tennis ball with such force as to break the cord suspending it in place, and causing it to strike the wall with enough velocity to bounce back and thud into the closed door on the opposite wall before arcing down to the floor and rolling under his bed. The sudden commotion was over as swiftly as it had begun, and he came to rest standing as calmly as he had been a moment earlier. From somewhere, a flourish played on a wooden flute. In his mind he heard the voices of the other kids dismissing his claims, and simply smiled to himself."

We all totally believe that you've got lots of examples of freakish liberal ideals and beliefs being pressed on children by public school teachers. We also totally believe that you can't be bothered to show it to us because we'll just whine about slavery and genocide being bad. Oh, and about biology, apparently. Nobody thinks your argument is a joke.

Brilliant.